Should we ask how much longer the PEOPLE of California (and elsewhere also) will allow their monies to be squandered by personally platforming individuals producing spurious and unfounded 'greenhouse claims' into the Legal Arena in such a PERSISTENT manner. Perhaps it is TIME the 'greenhouse lobby' noticed the PUBLIC attitude, try LISTENING rather than attempting to 'shape opinion' by 'output only'. The supposed 'climate remediations' formed from within 'greenhouse supposition' can't have any beneficial effect, there isn't possible a 'greenhouse based' warming effect (with implementation of the 'greenhouse theory'), and so supposed 'greenhouse remediations' can only then be seen as potentially DETRIMENTAL to the NATURAL persistence of 'Natural events' & NATURAL alterations as observed in their still irregular but otherwise reasonable & 'GENTLE' Natural style.
It is easily understood why there is not general public support for 'greenhouse platforming', they simply do not accept the rhetorical presentation of nonsense by a small group of 'academic bullies'. Perhaps those who attempt to 'ratify bullying' should understand the general public attitude to such practices in ALL arenas of life. These Arenas are inclusive of the ACADEMIC ARENA & should consider altering their 'position' on 'positive greenhouse' censorship especially so to be more accommodating of SCIENCE & less concerned in producing support of the 'talking greenhouse façade'?
This is in particular noticeable with regard to the present demands from a portion of 'members' within (as example) the 'Royal Academy' demanding 'lists of names' of those 'countering greenhouse concepts'.
It is also obvious that the 'positive greenhouse' censorship styling 'greenhouse discussion' attempts to avoid notice of SCIENCE with attempt instead for a focus 'of & on' OPINION from just a FEW with these FEW presented as 'expert'. These FEW are also presented as being before a supposed Consensus, which is by the effort to state such as existent cannot be in REALITY existent.
These 'greenhouse few' simply have no answer to the points of SCIENCE raised to counter ‘greenhouse rhetoric’ and are unable to overcome such with OPINION. Instead there are also begun productions of bullying & censorship 'allied' to 'politic style' background vilification of individuals. Is this the attitude included in 'greenhouse education'? Should it be considered that 'support' for 'greenhouse opinion' is indoctrinated within the education system? Certainly behavior is becoming indicative of such.
It is 'the PUBLIC' that this persistent censorship is 'rejecting', along with SCIENCE. Is it ANY wonder WHY the 'public' do not 'respond' then to MOVIES and 'Novels' platforming 'climate doom & woe' after over 20 years of such platforming?
Will any FILING in Law alter this attitude? Would not action instead produce less regard from the PUBLIC for the Law? Is this what the Office of the Attorney General of California is attempting, to bring ridicule upon the Law?
It is the function of the 'greenhouse platform' to be Political, to attempt to overplay the 'WHO is speaking' and underplay what is then being said, and belittle those who raise issues in SCIENCE the 'greenhouse platform' wants to have ignored?
It is NOT at all an action of a 'discussion' of or about SCIENCE that the 'greenhouse platform' produces, it is clearly seen as being the effort to support 'lobby platforming' of supposition of 'climate doom'. It is that supposed 'dissension' is the justification for bullying presented as 'the solution' and that is being seen when issues raised conflict with the 'greenhouse platformers' (political) ambitions. Will the Attorney General of California next produce legislation to BAN discussions outside of IPCC frameworks? The rise in median surface temperature is well seen, it is related to rematerialing of the surface by and within the production of Human habitat (see link '**' below) & is so easily observed that the only method that the "Greenhouse 'science' Lobby platform" can produce to counter this issue is to produce censorship and vilification of those whom point to this situation, with again mention made to relate 'lobby activity & behavior' within the Royal Society once more to 'underlying reasons generally noticed'.
The demand to use {renewable generation systems} is being made irresponsibly when such demands call for Base Load to be subverted to those technologies.
To show further the scale of the Global situation however please notices the extract & slide below, from {www.uic.com.au}:-
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["With the United Nations predicting world population growth from 6 billion to 7.5 billion by 2020, demand for energy must increase substantially over that period. Both population growth and increasing standards of living for many people in developing countries will cause strong growth in energy demand, expected to be over 2 percent per year, or 57 percent from 1997 to 2020. Electricity demand is increasing much more rapidly than overall energy use, and is projected to grow at 2.8 percent per year to 2010, and substantially to 2020.”]
[“Currently some 2 billion people have no access to electricity, and it is a high priority to address this lack."]
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Australia (as example) can, to fit into the Global situation, either...
A.
{supply CLEAN Coal & Gas Fuel with Technology that it uses & has developed. This will permit then some input into {Global Standards} for the use of Coal & Gas}
-OR-
B.
{supply Uranium in to Technology otherwise provided & installed (from other sources) which Australia would also then be using}
...into the Global production of the required Electricity for the Billions of Persons needing such.
Figure 1 Global Population Redistribution within Develeped (Purple) & "Less Developed" (Orange) Regions
JUST less than one half of the Worlds Population still has not any Electricity Supply.
THIS does impact on the level of Public Health & Sanitation those People receive.
MOST of these ~2 Billion People have a "lifestyle" that can only improve substantially.
THIS improvement will be in the same style & manner as was generally seen (& accepted to occur) within the "European Industrial Revolution".
JUST less than one half the Worlds’ Human Population is tiring of "Western Ideologists' providing only rhetorical recompense with a trailing of "praise" from a following of {gog-eyed} "believers". Where do the People of California place the "filing" at the base of the thread Outline Article into this greater reality? What benefit will the "Filing" mentioned bring when is regarded the greater reality facing the World?
Figure 2 Montage charts of Atmospheric Absorbance, Median Surface Temperature with comparision to overall Human Population. Notice Population plot becomes noticed as Output function of the accumulative Induction effect of Kinetic Energy (& alterations to such process) from Surface Rematerialing Humanity produces within the Sprawl of that Population. This is expressed in its majority as alterations to overall Turbulence, with measure of "temperature" expressing only the residual Energy of the overall alteration to Induction processes.
The Public are not convinced of the 'doom and woe' propaganda as it is commonly seen. The 'Public' are not having 'their attitude' deflected by supposed “dark motive” lobby forces, as some allude exist.
The greenhouse 'doom & woe' being platformed is most certainly NOT a 'production of science'. It is simply been “too long & too little” from the “greenhouse doom” rhetoric pantomime.
No number of Movie, Novel or Press Release can be regarded as being “to the general betterment” of a Public where in 2 BILLION people still are without Electricity.
There is little relevancy of 'how much' CO2 is present with regard to CLIMATE.
Temperature is NOT even a valid indicator of 'Climate involved' processes, and measure of Temperature is not even showing ANY valid, RELIABLE & persistent link to measure of any 'greenhouse gas statistic'. Hence the persistent efforts of discussion involving ‘paleo-periods', fabricated 'future scenarios' rather than NOW. Nor will Movie or Novel avoid notice of the pantomime existent by the public, as NOW is what is relevant in 'Politics' & to the Public.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod™
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From this point onwards, as it seems the readers of this Weblog have finally had enough of the FEW idiots, moderation of the comments that will appear will begin.
Comments that contain any key word indicative of past harassment will be junked automatically, leaving honest comments to appear once I notice them.
Recently some have made comment attempting in appearance to be made from myself within the Daily Telegraph Blog service. I have contacted the Telegraph Blog service & had those comments deleted as I notice them. These comments have contained only an effort to harass myself by cutting material from this WEBLOG.
Finding that the Telegraph blog service does log IP address of "comment contacts", I hope to have a more likely a differential identification of MY comments then made to prevent further falsehoods, however the faking of IP documentation as it is will mean such remains to be seen as a real solution.
To continue to present comment & discussion however is my effort, regardless of the "anonymous stalker".
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
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good stuff Peter well done.
An anonymous comment has been made that is long, & in French. It is infact only a repeat of a common rhetorical piece, seen often.
In translation (to my best ability) the "article" begins with the extract (in part) seen below.
However, it needs to be noticed by {anonymous} (along with those {scientists} the article mentions) that it is not the Atmosphere & Ocean surface that is indicating a leading trend of warming, with in fact the Atmosphere not displaying any overall warming trend at all.
There was a disputed report of a small (~0.01 degree C) rise a few months ago, but the measure was within even the device error of those tools used to produce the "reading".
Notice of the NOAA supplied Surface Temperature plot within the outline article shows clearly the Land Surface being the trend leader. This leading trend is infact aligned with the Sprawl of the construction of Human Habitat upon the Land Surface.
It is that Solar Radiation warms the Planetary Surface. This induction process is powering the processes of Turbulence. This is established, undisputable & undeniable.
Any unnatural rise in Median Surface Temperature is due to an unnatural alteration to the Median Surface Materialing & this IS the processes that Humanity is making upon this Planetary Environment. The Land surface begins to show a discernable Median Temperature rise well before the Ocean Surface, which in turn displays a muted deferred trend to that seen in the Land Surface. This is noticed in the NOAA chart, with this observation being further explained in other outlines within this weblog.
There is not any ability of the "Greenhouse theory" to produce with MOLECULES within the Atmosphere a warming process, nor is such OBSERVED. The theory as used within "greenhouse science" (to be generous) is capable of dealing with Atmospheric Solids to potentially describe a warming process, i.e. Particulate Carbon.
Your's,
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In response to (No link was given, but it is a very common article.) & in part translated:-
From: Anonymous [mailto:anonymous-comment@blogger.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:54 AM
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Regarding ["Attorney General Lockyer Files Lawsuit Against “Big Six” Automakers"]":
["Climatic reheating, also called planetary reheating or, by Anglicism, total reheating (of total English warming), indicate the phenomenon of increase, on a worldwide scale and over several years, average temperature of the oceans and atmosphere.
In its common meaning, this term is applied to the climatic change observed since the end of the XXe century.
The existence of the reheating is allowed, supported by the reports/ratios of the GIEC corédigé with the scientific community [1].
The causes of the reheating are discussed, ....."]
Peter
read any news website, BBC, ABC, SMH, climate change is real.
what is your science built on?
Sarah
It should be noted that I have constantly mentioned that Climate Change is REAL.
It is that Climate change is persistent in its irregular & Natural progressions.
It is that a FEW would insist that for some reason NOT presented with any valid use of SCIENCE that there is UNNATURAL change in Climate.
It is that these FEW would cite ANY observed change to Climate as "unnatural" then DEMAND that this is just 'accepted as science'.
It would be better to notice then the THEORY (of SCIENCE) that is cited & included in "greenhouse science" to notice the FLAWS then in the usage of such, rather than notice of "news sites" on the web that are mentioning climate change.
I notice SCIENCE, it is not ["my science"] that I mention, but SCIENCE. If is noticed the Outline Article "To Start Discussion" there is there-in noted the more obvious flaws in the "greenhouse theory" & the mis-use of SCIENCE seen there-in.
Notice of altering Climate is NOT sufficient to then cite that those alterations are UNNATURAL, whilst it is the Planetary Surface that is showing a small overall {warming effect}, not in general is there some vague process labelled "global greenhouse warming".
The SCIENCE used in the "greenhouse theory" can produce a {warming process} with Atmospheric Solids, NOT Atmospheric Molecules & as such it is Particulate Carbon that is the {warming process} problem basis & NOT any "greenhouse" Gas molecules. This is HOW the SCIENCE used to construct the 'greenhouse theory' can function VALIDLY.
As has been mentioned often also, it is the DETAIL in which the "greenhouse platform" fails, and NOW there are 2 Billion People without Electricity needing the same improvement to Health & Sanitation that was produced by the European Industrial Revolution. These People are becoming rather disinterested in Western Ideologists platforming 'greenhouse doom'.
I would suggest that less notice is given to "internet news sites", these 2 Billion People do not HAVE the electricity to notice such. I also notice that the U.N. considers there to be one (1) mobile phone for every 2 People, as a general remark attached to the growing use of "mobile internet" connections...
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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Peter
I meant anthropogenic climate change is real.
The OPINION that there is Unnatural Alteration to Climate is only that, OPINION. There has not been shown any valid manner to differentiate NATURAL process from a supposed {anthropogenic climate change} process.
There is not shown within the "greenhouse theory" any valid process in SCIENCE to produce even warming from Gas (molecular) components of the Atmosphere.
There is not seen possible within the Environment (as it does exist) a {greenhouse warming} process using "greenhouse science" unless such limits its concerns to Atmospheric Particulates (solids) such as Particulate Carbon.
Next, the relevance of the notice that "there are 250 MILLION children involved in processes of {child labour} Worldwide." is twofold.
Firstly, before the European Industrial Revolution, children laboured tirelessly within what would today be regarded as "sweat shop" conditions, as they are.
Secondly then these {250 Million Children} originate within those regions the {2 Billion People} exist within.
There is then the direct relevance to the Health & Sanitation provided to those 2 Billion People currently without Electricity Supply.
There is no large scale water supply or sewerage processing without Electricity.
There is poor to no Hospital based care or general Health Services, requiring as they do Electricity Supply.
Within those regions populated by those 2 Billion People Education is of a low availability whilst Diseases generally are in high incidence.
It is very obvious to those considering the reality of the World that such situations will not be improved until the equivalent of the ”European Industrial Revolution" is made again but outside of Europe. The WESTERN Ideological desire to demand existence for {anthropogenic climate change} is only deferring the assistance these 2 Billion People require, whilst presenting nothing that is FACT to justify such deferments.
The result of the Ideological Western discussions WILL be that to remediate the REAL Non-Western issues these People face the selected generation processes will involve the emplacements of Electricity Generation with a PRIMARY consideration being SPEED of Base Load emplacement that is capable of producing that Electricity so required.
This will NOT be able to include the "renewable utilities".
It WILL also be that the secondary criteria could well be COST, hence Coal &/or Gas will be the Primary Remediation solution(s) being considered.
Unless that is that Uranium is made artificially "less expensive" in {Ideological Comparison} processes.
I notice also that now the U.N. indicates there one in two people has a mobile phone, those within Nations with a Suitable Electricity supply will certainly have one such telephonic device.
The others will not, but then those others will not be concerned at not having a regional {mobile phone network} either.
These things ARE obvious to those whose considerations are not clouded by ideology.
There are still those 2 Billion people, still WITHOUT a supply of Electricity at all, & still waiting...they NEED their {Industrial Revolution}, not a Western outpouring of "Climate Ideologies".
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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you said "There is not shown within the "greenhouse theory" any valid process in SCIENCE to produce even warming from Gas (molecular) components of the Atmosphere"
isn't the proof, the natural greenhouse effect which prevents the earth from freezing?
It is not shown within the {greenhouse theory} any valid ability with the SCIENCE used to produce any warming process with molecular components of the Atmosphere.
Instead of attempting to mention supposition please notice the Theory as is presented and those materials it attempts to involve.
It has been long realised that incident Solar Radiation warms the Planetary Surface, with the Surface warming the Atmosphere within which is produced Turbulence.
Notice that it is the Planetary Surface that is being rematerialed in an increasingly rapid manner by Human activities...and that Turbulence is the physical expression of the link tween Temperature & Pressure.
It is Turbulence that is also observed as Weather Patterning so alteration to Turbulence effectively displays as alterations in observed {Weather} based "events".
Supposition as is made that a "greenhouse effect" is responsible is just that, & made without even detailing a valid process to enable such an effect to be considered.
There is thus not FACT in "greenhouse suppositions".
Notice the outline "To Start Discussion" if you would make comment regarding Science Theory that as is otherwise (mis)used within the platforming of "greenhouse suppositions".
That "greenhouse climate supposition" & its trailing efforts to factualise its own opinion will still not produce the Base Load Electricity that 2 Billion people require is the basis of this threads outline article. Hence there needs to be considered as issue Facts as the situation those 2 Billion People exist within is NOT fictional.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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A {few} are still intent on harassing me & now it seems {others & organisations} I do converse with.
These behaviours included sending spurious messages to organisations such as ACF (Australian Conservation Fund) & FoE(UK).
Both of these organisations I have contacted on this situation once their UNEXPECTED replies arrived in my email Inbox.
These Web Site message (as seemingly sent to FoE(UK) for example) had reply made to the message, but the "faker" got the {other details} incorrect (as seen in the response made FROM FoE(UK) below).
I use direct e-mails (not Web-forms) & so the PATH of such VALID communications from myself show {ME} (not only by e-mail address) as the source ALWAYS.
I am using ISP Account contacts for accounted services billed to my address as shown in the references for my Trademark.
I mention this as information as those of HONEST indent (such as Maria Dyson of the FoE Supporter Information Team & Margaret Ambrose of the ACF) would have better things to do with their time than respond to activities of those (now being made obvious) juvenile in attitude & otherwise unable to sustain adult discussion.
I mention such HERE as these {few} still try to make {anonymous} "comment" that is not suitable for Public view, then demand such is shown.
The Method by which Correspondence will be considered as made to this site (at present) has been detailed.
That Method is HOW correspondence that WILL be considered will be made, & ONLY by that Method will consideration to Discursive Comment be given.
ALL {anonymous} comments will from this time forward be Deleted without notice due to the "language content" being seen at present from these {few}.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
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With regard to:-
---"Original" (FAKED) Message---
From: FOE Internet System [mailto:nsuser@foe.co.uk]
Sent: 08 January 2007 02:12
Subject: feedback comment: Big Ask/Climate Change - hartlod@bigpond.com
"Comments: Friends of the Earth should give up. Climate CHANGE is not
proven and is empty RHETORIC. check out my website
www.hartlod.blogspot.com or alternatively WEB search hartlod for
the many posts I put up. I invite FOE members to email me for MORE information."
"Recipient: info@foe.co.uk"
"Title: MR"
"Forename: Peter"
"Surname: Anderson"
"Address: Quakers Hill"
"Town: Sydney"
"Country: AU"
"Postcode: 2000"
"Email Address: hartlod@bigpond.com"
"NO Supporter Info: NOT TICKED"
"NOT Swappable: NOT TICKED"
"Timestamp: 20070108021228"
"topic: Big Ask/Climate Change"
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---"Original" (Faked) Message---
From: hartlod@bigpond.com [mailto:hartlod@bigpond.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 January 2007 2:09 PM
To: Margaret Ambrose
Subject: climate change (Submitted from acfonline)
ACF Area:8
Sender's Name: Peter Anderson
Sender's Email: hartlod@bigpond.com
Response Required: Yes
Message:dear ACF
I think you have it all wrong respecting climate change. it's a folly invention by the greenhouse drone. I invite any ACF memeber to contact ME
{You} should really notice more SCIENCE & less the OPINIONS of supposed "scientists" simply as those OPINIONS are those {you} prefer to hear.
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Recently it did come to my attention that some {few} have taken to harassing me whilst by & with {their} attitude & behavior also then {others & organisations} I do converse with.
The indications are that these behaviours included sending spurious messages to organisations such as ACF (Australian Conservation Fund)& FoE(UK).
Being in receipt of (it seems) a response (seen below) from these few it would seem that these {FEW} are intent on continuing their efforts & are becoming observably disassociated from the {reality that is} whilst these {few} produce harassment of others (whilst PRETENDING to be me).
Perhaps this is occurring elsewhere & for which responses are NOT made back to myself. It would seem that these {FEW} are attempting to create the appearance of some situation & that {they} might now have
become over-immersed in their {alternative reality efforts} so to accommodate perhaps their alternative {internet persona}.
To re-mention:-
I use direct emails (not Web-forms) & so the PATH of such
communications from myself show ME as the source ALWAYS.
I am using ISP Account contacts for accounted services billed to my address as shown in the references for my Trademark.
I mention this as information as those of HONEST indent (such as
Maria Dyson (of the FoE Supporter Information Team) & Margaret Ambrose (of the ACF) would have better things to do with their time than respond to activities of these (now being made obvious) {FEW} whom are otherwise unable to sustain adult discussion it would seem.
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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With regard to:-
-----Original Message-----
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Regarding ["Attorney
General Lockyer Files Lawsuit Against “Big Six” Automakers"]":
Pedro
what goes around, comes around. you harass others and be a nuisance
on the net, so expect it back
Posted by Anonymous to Open Discussions on Climate and related
Issues. at 1/12/2007 09:11:28 AM
With notice to a comment as {Posted by Latisha McLaren} (see below) to which my response is indicative of the overall situation driving {anonymous} within {their} rabid frenzy. The issue (as mentioned) with the ASTROLOGER is that the façade produced was to allude to SCIENCE, the ALLUSION accepted by some NOT comprehending SCIENCE but instead accepting of the {sound of science} from those labelled as {Scientists}.
Notice that ["Astrometeorologists who practice planetary meteorology"] using ["Astronomical transits"] are infact ASTROLOGERS using planetary orbit positions.
Meteorologists who study the {Weather} OF & ON those other Planets within the SOLAR SYSTEM (i.e. this star system of the star Sol) are Meteorologists.
What the ASTROLOGER attempts to talk around is to MIS-PRESENT astrological coincidence of Astronomical Body positions to be of relevance to CLIMATE & WEATHER.
So it is needed first that COMPREHENSION of SCIENCE be seen in the INDIVIDUAL as of more import within discussion & scrutiny that CONSENSUS as it is that some who are labelled a {Scientist} would support efforts of ASTROLOGY within presentations of {climate science}.
But as {you} mention Latisha McLaren:-
["(Posted by Latisha McLaren) Peter, I have to agree with your comments on astrologers as hacks. but what’s even worse than that is people who claim they talk of common science yet can’t name one scientist or academic reference to back them up. they’re the real posers."]
It needs to be asked "WHAT is actually supporting this effort {you} outline?" The ASTROLOGER tries to make impressive lists of ["scientist or academic reference"] but is STILL in the situation noticed a ["hack"]...
There is not any point relying on {scientist or academic references} if {you} directly do not comprehend SCIENCE is there {Latisha McLaren}.
This is by extension applicable to {anonymous} very clearly also. It also needs to be carefully noticed within such actions as those mentioned within the Title Outline of this thread.
TO continue now in general comment towards the rabid {anonymous} frenzy, I have not mentioned that my weblog IS any style of {Reference}. Nor have I at any time even attempted to mention that I (being Peter K Anderson) represent NOAA, the U.N. or any organisation in any (manner, matter or opinion}.
My weblog is only referred to by myself within DISCUSSIONS with others especially when involving of my PDA, Mobile Phone or Mobile PC.
This has been mentioned on numerous occasions along with there being no effort on MY part at all to producing this little site of OUTLINES as a {Reference}. That is all this site is ever used for & if not for the attention the {crow chorus} is making of it, perhaps NO-ONE would ever know it existed…
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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As can be seen in the comment below & as {Posted by Gregory Masters} to me within another discussion, once the effort of the {Astrologer} (as example) is made obvious, rather than contemplating the situation behind so much of the supposed {references} & {Scientists} huddling within {climatology} those solely interested in protection of a Political Platform begin to fabricate issues to COMPLAIN about.
The reality is that in regard to mention of my use of Sydney Catchment Authority measurements with regard to a local Water situation, such seems to be acceptable. However unable to overcome my use of measurements by NOAA in the same manner the {chorus} begins instead to attempt to claim that I am now ["quoting NOAA"] but which is only the production of an outright & obvious lie.
This lie is then repeated within the {chorus} with other demands but is still only a lie & remains as such still. This effort will also NOT prevent noticed that previously it has been seen that these {individuals} within this chorus would happily accept ASTROLOGY & those using such as otherwise suitable as provision of {Reference} by a {Scientist} as [evidence} of {their position}.
Again the "climate haze" that follows along behind the {Greenhouse Wagon} is filled with both the {quasi-scientific} Astrologer type & those who would HYPE these individuals as being "scientists" simply as the rhetorical output suits the Ideology of these {few}. The fabrication of untruths is the only response these {few} can make once the situation is uncovered.
The situation that began comments such as {Posted by Gregory Masters} & {Posted by Henry Chapman} in the Daily Telegraph blogs began after I made asked for some differential process to be shown so to separate Natural alterations to Climate from suppositions of {anthropogenic climate change}. Soon after the obvious haranguing & harassment began & still persists.
The weakest point from those who try presenting situations as being evidence of {anthropogenic climate change} is their effort of clinging commonly to mentions regarding {rate of alterations} but this has never been so. Notice of recent studies of reef structures has had noticed Natural Climate alterations of some rapidity.
The Natural oscillations of Climate are irregular in their periodicity & as such observations of the cumulative effect of Climate {component processes} will always be presented as an irregular {wave form} carrying those observations made upon this {resultant form}. There is no {steady state} within Nature, just lulls & storms....
Then is being seen that those who suppose of an existence of {anthropogenic climate change} are becoming most certainly more than a little responsible for a wider use of Uranium to fuel Electricity Generation within near One Half of the Worlds present Human Population (& in such regions showing also stronger Regional growth of such Population). This is making those platforming an existence for {anthropogenic climate change} more than a little “edgy”, as is obvious…
This needs to be noticed also by those considering the style of Filing within the Topic of this Threads Outline into the future also. Near on half of the worlds population could well be using Uranium to fuel generation of electricity, & as that population grows so to will use of Uranium...
Notice the rapidity that China emplaces new Coal Fuelled Utilities to realise just the POTENTIAL for this growth in Uranium use in fuelling Electricity Generation...
Notice also that the measurements I present are REAL in ALL cases, as presented by & as from NOAA (& the U.N.) with this being what {you} need to notice {Gregory Masters} (& others) as the basis of a DISCUSSION.
It is this situation of REALITY of what I DO involve within discussion that is noticed by those I discuss "these things" with...& this reality is NOT needing to be {proven} to anyone. Notice the slides.
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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In response to:-
{Posted by Gregory Masters on Tue 23 Jan 07 at 09:41pm}
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Peter quoting SCA statistics is one thing, but saying you are quoting the NOAA is another. you (and no other scientist because you can’t/won’t name them) make the claim that the linkage between surface median temperature and human population is proof that there is no human caused climate change.
this is NOT the position of the NOAA nor the UN, but only the weakly factualised pantominic and dronic opinion of *yourself*.
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To example the contained (but hidden) {lobby input} within such "Filings" mentioned within the Outline Article of this thread, notice the exception to the realised inability for {base load} functionality of {renewable} energy utilities within Grid Supply.
This is the Tidal based Generation Utility. Whilst there is a place for all renewable systems, Gas Coal & Uranium are still the only actual choices for such Base Load function otherwise.
But, with TIDAL Generation Utilities being the exception WHY are so many Nations, all otherwise presented as {Kyoto green} AND with Coastlines to suit MAJOR emplacement & use of Tidal Generation, SUCH AS NEW ZEALAND, still not showing ANY real interest?. Why is it that California is debating to FLOAT "Wind Utilities" in near coast situations?
This is also the situation into which is added POLITICAL & LOBBY calls to nominate a {reduction in Greenhouse gases} AND {Carbon Trading}, whilst the most OBVIOUS & PRACTICAL solutions are NOT used & barely mention...
WHY? Notice that once a SOLUTION is made (such as tidal generation systems), the relevance of the LOBBY is reduced. So to make some PERSISTENCE for the LOBBY, the {PROBLEM} is made to linger....
Those who supposing an existence of {anthropogenic climate change} (& who would be seen protecting such OPINIONS) are becoming most certainly more than a little responsible for a wider use of Uranium to fuel Electricity Generation within near One Half of the Worlds present Human Population (& in such regions showing also stronger Regional growth of such Population).
Notice the rapidity that China emplaces new Coal Fuelled Utilities to realise just the POTENTIAL for this growth in Uranium use in fuelling Electricity Generation…
Notice how little ANY GOVERNMENT is actually doing within any real regard of either the ["Kyoto Treaty"} or {Greenhouse issues}, these are ONLY now used as a {Political Distraction} & when I hear of such I look elsewhere, to notice {what is behind, beneath or being wheeled out the back door} whilst such Rhetorical Efforts are platformed. This is as the most directly practical & applicable {greenhouse energy} solution (being Tidal Power Generation) is NOT being used or even widely nominated for use.
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In regard to a LOCAL water situation, perhaps it is also as such Tidal Based Utilities can, & so would also make DESALINATION far more practical (as a process) than present POLICY tries to make as mentioned.
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So the manipulations behind that effort is NOT actually desiring to make any SOLUTION real, just make real a perpetual {Rhetoric}.
Do not notice what {Government says}, notice what they do not whilst {saying it}...
DO not notice what Anonymous [anonymous-comment@blogger.com] attempts to mention in comment, notice WHY Anonymous [anonymous-comment@blogger.com] is still attempting the comments {it} does to this little weblog...
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/
That there is little to attach such {Projections, predictions and adaptations} of the IPCC to the reality in which the Environment exists is also why only "policy" is wanted, not action.
The People of California, & elsewhere, need to realise this from example...
Tidal Power Generation is the only "renewable" able to be emplaced in a "base load" Grid function (the tides never cease), yet it is the least mentioned in the "policy rants" of the "greenhouse platform".
Instead nomination is for "floating" Wind Farms, in Park Reserves even. This is to produce prolonged "policy discussions", NOT solutions.
Overall the "warming scenarios" (heard of so often) are of no real consequence regardless of "who" supports them, the materials involved cannot produce a warming effect with application of the "greenhouse theory" which is itself only able to effect a warming process if is noticed atmospheric particulates & not those molecular components of the atmosphere (the "structures" that produce such warming as the involved Theory needs are NOT present in a "free" Molecule).
Still the amount of permanent Water Ice in evidence on this Planet is in {uncommon} amounts, so there will still be {less} in the majority of this Planets overall Climate cycle & so more will melt...
Humanity needs to realise & accept this, as is the situation that Humanity is only noticing that period since the just reverted Ice Age (only 16,000 years previous) as the "source" of the present conformation of Ice, non-saline liquid Water & those other issues so often heard mentioned in the now formulaic "climate panic" rhetoric.
An example to notice; most bovine live stock can withstand saline water of up to ~8000ppm, Humanity seems to have become rather "specialised" in requiring nearly nil salinity in that water "it" consumes ("sports drinks" apart).
NOW is still a {special case}, & as such the "special case" will continue to revert towards the {norm} within the usual irregularly periodic processes of Nature. There is no issue for panic in this nor any problem needing remediation. Just an awareness from Humanity that generally its privileged situation of the past 15,000 years is going to disappear...& this is what is being noticed during the {Period of NOW}.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/
In response to:-
IPCC nonsense & "greenhouse rhetorical dreaming"
In regard further to comments sent privately to me, please notice again that "heat" does NOT leave the star Sol.
RADIATION propagates through space...along with a variant Flux of Ions as the "output" of our local star Sol.
Neither is "Heat" or "Cosmic Rays" any form of Radiation or in any manner a portion of the overall Electro-magnetic Spectrum.
As I have previously mentioned there is a rather POOR attention to such Topics of Physics plaguing "climatology" & "greenhouse science" especially within which discussion is "narrowed" often to avoid notice (in {THEIR} proximity) such information that is otherwise widely "noticed & known".
Notice again from http://www.srl.caltech.edu/personnel/dick/cos_encyc.html (all due notice & credit to the author) whilst remembering that Pollution is NOT within any consideration desirable:-
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[" In addition, observations of high energy (10 MeV - 1000 MeV) gamma rays resulting from cosmic ray collisions with interstellar gas show that most cosmic rays are confined to the disk of the Galaxy, presumably by its magnetic field.
Similar collisions of cosmic ray nuclei produce lighter nuclear fragments, including radioactive isotopes such as 10Be, which has a half-life of 1.6 million years. The measured amount of 10Be in cosmic rays implies that, on average, cosmic rays spend about 10 million years in the Galaxy before escaping into inter-galactic space."]
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&
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["The Sun is also a sporadic source of cosmic ray nuclei and electrons that are accelerated by shock waves travelling through the corona, and by magnetic energy released in solar flares.
During such occurrences the intensity of energetic particles in space can increase by a factor of 102 to 106 for hours to days. Such solar particle events are much more frequent during the active phase of the solar cycle.
The maximum energy reached in solar particle events is typically 10 to 100 MeV, occasionally reaching 1 GeV (roughly once a year) to 10 GeV (roughly once a decade). Solar energetic particles can be used to measure the elemental and isotopic composition of the Sun, thereby complementing spectroscopic studies of solar material."]
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Then notice that the Atmosphere of this Planet is a Gas of diminishing density AWAY from the Planetary surface & that ["high energy (10 MeV - 1000 MeV) gamma rays result from cosmic ray collisions with interstellar gas"].
Thus sudden alteration to the Planetary Dipole within unfortunately timed "Solar behaviours" would most likely see the Planetary Surface "flooded" with Gamma, X-Ray & an increased intensity in U-V spectrum Radiation...all produced from "our own" Atmosphere.
The concepts involving of "cosmic ray electrons" linked as "condensation nuclei" with some relation to water clouds overlooks the paucity of Electrons presented in the "Ion Flux" (~1%) that is "cosmic rays" & the very Planetary Dipole that shields the Planetary Surface.
To Example a situation:-
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A low density comet strike COULD disrupt BOTH Atmosphere & Dipole. A smaller comet hitting Earth than hit Venus COULD have been the extinction event that "struck down" the dinosaurs. Venus was unable to recover, or perhaps has not had the time (less likely) to do so.
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At issue is the behavior of the Planetary Dipole & any real potential for alterations of some unusual manner, with the ionic flux (of "cosmic rays") interactions with the rather strong Magnetic Field Earth just happens to possess otherwise needing detailed study. What I mention then (& again) is:-
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The study needed to protect 'life as we know it' in it's persistence is in the study of the Planetary Dipole of this Planet, the PRODUCTION of that Dipole in both it's processes, production AND continuance, NOT in any atmospheric study involving a supposed 'greenhouse effect'.
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AS, & to summarise the situation:-
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[..."The Sun is also a sporadic source of cosmic ray nuclei and electrons...such occurrences the intensity of energetic particles in space can increase by a factor of 102 to 106 for hours to days...event is typically 10 to 100 MeV, occasionally reaching 1 GeV (roughly once a year) to 10 GeV (roughly once a decade)..."]
Otherwise, if not so deflected & as the Atmosphere is transparent near totally to such radiation as would be produced, Surface Life as it is observed would be far different than it is NOW.
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Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/
Notice (from Friday 23rd Mar 07 Sydney Daily Telegraph newspaper):-
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SUN'S WILD MAGNETISM
Washington:
X-RAY images taken by an international spacecraft show the Sun's
magnetic field is more turbulent than scientists knew, NASA reported
yesterday.
They saw twisting plumes of gas rising from the Sun's Corona &
reacting with the star's magnetic field, a process that releases
energy & may power solar storms that in turn affect Earth.
"Theorists suggested twisted, tangled magnetic fields might exist" US
astrophysicist Leon Golub said. "We can see them clearly for the
first time."
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Notice that the Gas will contribute to "cosmic ray" nuclei, directed by the Magnetic Fields (twisting or not).
Notice that the energy will be as Photons AS THE IMAGERY is made in the X-RAY spectrum.
Notice that this DIRECT observation of otherwise a 'theoretical effect' is mentioned as being made for ["the first time"].
THEN NOTICE please AGAIN what I have been mentioning, from even before Tue Aug 2006, so to start a discussion:-
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Post subject: The Dipole Dilemma...
Notice the material in the link I give regarding 'Venus':- http://www-
ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/venus_mag/
(with all thanks and notice to the author and references there in
included).
Realise that the Earth travels through space with a little 'trailing
tail', with the 'gases' of that being retained by the interactions of
the Planetary Magnetic Field, Radiation and the upper edges of the
Atmosphere. Without Gravity (produced from the aggregation of Matter)
and the Planetary Magnetic Field. This 'Planetary Tail' would be lost
constantly from many other situations in play constantly,
perhaps 'blown away' by the 'Solar Wind' or just left behind due to
constantly altering velocity vectors of the Earth's motion to produce
it's 'Orbital Path' or some combination of these and other 'forces',
until there was little to no atmosphere remaining....all needing more
*'Mission Time'* for determinations to be made.
HOWEVER, realise that one 'concept' to explain the 'atmospheric
density' of Venus was proposing that the 'present' atmosphere is a
production of the reaction to the loss of the original 'atmosphere'
as the Planetary Magnetic field reduced to it's present 'practically
nil' levels. The RAPIDITY of that 'field reduction' (*still
needing 'mission time' for determinations*) if sufficiently 'rapid'
would create a 'pressure boil' and increase 'atmospheric density'.
The greater 'atmospheric density', due to larger molecules perhaps or
simply 'more molecules' (*needing 'mission time' for determinations*)
is then able to support higher residual measures of kinetic energy.
That is the atmosphere would be able to support and then display
as 'its measure' a 'higher temperature'.
When it is noticed that Venus is potentially losing its Atmosphere at
a rate related to overall gravity well determinations and the
Atmospheric density is due to loss of a planetary 'magnetic dipole'
and relationship is made to the notice of which 'Planets' in this
Solar System present 'Earth-like Dipoles' the CONTINUANCE of 'life as
we know it' is NOT in any study of a supposed 'greenhouse effect' or
even other Planets and their Atmospheres.
[Another Theory involves a Low Density Comet Strike as is proposed to
have produced extinction for the Terrestrial Dinosaur. The Comet that
struck Venus was larger & Venus did not (as yet anyway) 'recover' as
did this Planet Earth.]
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The study needed to protect 'life as we know it' in it's persistence is in the study of the Planetary Dipole, the PRODUCTION of that
Dipole in both it's processes, production AND continuance, NOT in any atmospheric study involving a supposed 'greenhouse
effect'.
**
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This I have extended to again have discussion with notice (then
again) from http://www.srl.caltech.edu/personnel/dick/cos_encyc.html
(all due notice & credit to the author):-
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[" In addition, observations of high energy (10 MeV - 1000 MeV) gamma
rays resulting from cosmic ray collisions with interstellar gas show
that most cosmic rays are confined to the disk of the Galaxy,
presumably by its magnetic field..."] [..."The Sun is also a sporadic
source of cosmic ray nuclei and electrons...such occurrences the
intensity of energetic particles in space can increase by a factor of
102 to 106 for hours to days...event is typically 10 to 100 MeV,
occasionally reaching 1 GeV (roughly once a year) to 10 GeV (roughly
once a decade)..."]
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So if not so deflected by the unusually STRONG Dipole of the Planet Earth, & as the Atmosphere of Planet Earth is transparent near
totally to such Radiation (Gamma-Ray, X-Ray & UV sub Spectrum Photons) as would be produced, Surface Life as it is observed would
be far different than it is NOW with such potential IRRADIATION events possible yearly & minimally at every decade.
NOTICE that the irradiation event will be produced BY this Planets "own" atmosphere.
Notice that variation in the Planetary Dipole will NOT necessarily be of a "humanistic time frame" but could be PRODUCED within such.
Notice that such Radiation that would be produced WILL produce a higher Induction Rate of Kinetic Energy within the Materials
presented upon the Planetary Surface. The NON-UNIFORM production of this Kinetic Induction (measured as an increase in the Temperature of the Surface), being due to the variation in the Materials of the Surface (~70% being Water), WILL increase (System) Turbulence. It is the physical expressions of Turbulence that is observed as
WEATHER.
The PERSISTENCE of such Dipole variation would be perhaps most likely within a GEOLOGICAL time frame however. To example the potential of the possible situation, the Dipole variation onset might be noticed over a few decades with then a new & maintained "position" then held for hundreds of thousands of years before any "reversion of state" occurred.
[Aside: I would not be surprised if the initial impetus of the "greenhouse platform" was garnered by mis-presenting {Atmospheric sourced irradiation events} as being phrased as {Atmospheric sourced IRradiation events}...it is to the point NOW of near criminal fraud & certainly academic fraud being noticed in the rhetorical output of
the present "greenhouse science" presentations...]
So to notice then those suppositions of (& within) "greenhouse" issues, it IS "eco-friendly" to support "renewables"...hmmm...is it?
Tidal Station Power Utilities ACTUALLY exist, their ABILITIES are well known whilst ANY REAL PROBLEM from "greenhouse gases" could have
been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced by the wide spread use of Tidal Station Generation Utilities. ( There is one South of Sydney near Wollongong
if memory serves me correctly, yet how little PRESS & MEDIA mention is ever seen?) This could have been done YEARS ago...if there WAS
a "climate" problem.
This could have been done by many of those Nations that rapidly signed the KYOTO TREATY, most even USING Tidal Station Generation
Utilities WHEN those signatures where made...
The LOBBY effort to garner "grant & subsidy" made early involvement in "renewable energy" more directly profitable also...without any actual need TO PERFORM to expectations. A situation well understood in the Political Arena & observed behind the POLITICAL Efforts to garner a continuance of such FISCAL production, exampled in the PLATFORM surrounding one Mr. Al Gore..
If however SCIENCE is considered, rather than "opinion", then those Theories of SCIENCE used within the Greenhouse Theory "construction" cannot produce any warming effect with any notice towards Molecular Components of the Atmosphere. Molecules are NOT however PARTICULATES, i.e. SOLIDS.
Molecules don't present to incident Photons those Structures that Particulates (solids) possess & cannot thus behave AS Particulates do within interactions with Photons...or those Theories of SCIENCE noticing such.
However Atmospheric Particulates (for example "Black" carbon) CAN be considered in production of a warming effect. So CLEAN COAL technology WILL in FACT assist in reducing any ACTUAL "warming effect".
There is not any CLIMATE CHANGE process needing "CAPTURE" of CO2, as example, to be "remediated. Notice AGAIN that there is NOT even existing technology TO DO SUCH & that it IS now being PLEADED that another 5 YEARS are waited for such technology to be "produced"...after near 30 years of talking.
Perhaps the ISSUE of GREATEST interest within the "Environmental Lobby" (noticed by "its" behavior) is to suppress SOLUTIONS to garner some persistence of relevance of RHETORICAL presentations, whilst the ISSUE of SUPPOSED "global warming" IS NOT so REAL after all it seems.
Certainly NOTHING is being done by the "Environmental Lobby" that is other than TALKING, & attempting to make such TALKING the persistent effort.
So the "problem" would be seemingly of far less import than the issue that is made of such...
However predetermined NEED in noticing of the POTENTIAL problem of supplying Electricity to the 2 BILLION people world wide WITHOUT such was IGNORED by the "environmental lobby". This was ONLY to cater (& pander) to expressions of (internal) BELIEF & IDEOLOGY & so also development of CLEAN COAL technology was interrupted, even suppressed...along with Tidal Station Power Technology emplacement & research.
This all as the "greenhouse platform" IS Political in basis & NOT "scientific" & always has been. Hence the number of POLITICIANS involved.
Those 2 BILLION People are no longer waiting however (after ~30 years) for spoilt "eco-bores" to PRODUCE something other than 'an opinion', one "lost generation" seems to have been enough for those regions involved, poverty is all that has been produced.
Now Coal IS being used more already (& into the foreseeable future) within the GLOBAL 'situation' & such predetermined NEW uses ALL could have been MUCH cleaner NOW & within that greater emplacement of Coal to be yet produced.
Such will be unavoidable also whilst the REAL alternative, URANIUM, is waiting "to the wings" & would be used instead more widely than it is already if the REAL situation was left to the present form of the "Environmental Lobby" to "remediate".
Yours, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/
A NSW Labor win is another endorsement of anthropogenic climate change.
Well {Anonymous} is still about, & still saying little of any discursive value, or even 'printable' mostly.
But this is another opportunity for me to clear away some further misconceptions of these morally destitute 'politik-nics'...
I, being Peter K Anderson have already mentioned being predominately a voter for Labour Government at the State Level of the Australian Commonwealth Structure, regardless of which State I have resided within.
AS for SUPPOSED 'greenhouse anthropogenic climate change', well...the ISSUE that is attempted to be paraded is that 'global warming' is somehow unnatural in the 'media expressions' of 'consensus'.
However none can then express a process that COULD function to produce unnatural "global warming" & still do not detail what IS "global warming" anyway.
If however SCIENCE is considered, rather than "opinions" (often of journalists 'reporting' of 'scientists') it is seen that there is a ZERO percent ability of ANY "greenhouse gas" to produce a warming effect with notice made to the Greenhouse Theory.
This is as the Theories of SCIENCE used within the Greenhouse Theory cannot produce a warming effect with any notice towards Molecular Components of the Atmosphere...
However Atmospheric Particulates (for example "Black" carbon) CAN be considered in production of a warming effect.
Molecules are NOT however PARTICULATES, i.e. SOLIDS.
Molecules don't present to incident Photons those Structures that Particulates (solids) possess & cannot thus behave AS Particulates do within interactions with Photons...or those Theories of SCIENCE noticing such.
Notice please those slides from within the link:-
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/feb/global.html
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Climate of 2007 - February in Historical Perspective
The dot maps, below left, provides a spatial representation of anomalies calculated from the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN) data set of land surface stations using a 1961-1990 base period.
Temperature anomalies with respect to the 1961-1990 mean for land and ocean are analysed separately and then merged to form the global analysis.
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-: & in particular 'Dec-Feb land surface temperature anomalies' (the first slide). Hopefully this will not 'strain the brains' of the {Anonymous} 'politik-nics'...
=_=
Notice there is a large 'red dot' over the Australian State of Tasmania...a region of Pastoral activity that itself uses Hydropower, to the point that the "enviro-lobby" actively prevented & limited further "valley flooding".
There is a Mining Industry for Coal that would be adding to Particulate emissions, but not much direct 'local' use as fuel, whilst the expansion of Human Sprawl developments is increasing due to relatively cheaper costings...
There is a logging industry also.
=_=
Notice then the plots in that link the DIRECT correlation to Human Population & "anomaly temperature" of the Surface, the dot plot correlation to HUMAN SPRAWL developments.
Notice then the plots within that link, & notice the DIRECT correlation to Human Population developments & alteration to Surface Materialing.
This is altering regional Weather patterning by altering TURBULENCE in notice of Temperature & PRESSURE variations. Such Radiation that becomes surface incident WILL produce a higher Induction Rate of Kinetic Energy within the "new" Materials presented upon the Planetary Surface.
The NON-UNIFORM production of this Kinetic Induction (measured as an increase in the Temperature of the Surface), being due to the variation in the Materials of the Surface (~70% being Water) but upon which Humanity does not always build. This (specifically Oceanic) Surface is seen warmed by System Conduction & Convection processes, those processes within that increased (System) Turbulence.
It is the physical expressions of Turbulence that is observed as WEATHER & which powers Ocean Currents as another example. Turbulence is the physical notice of WORK being done by that Kinetic Energy being induced within the Environmental 'System'.
There is not any CLIMATE CHANGE process needing "CAPTURE" of CO2 however, nor relevant reason to NOTICE CO2 beyond Pollution, which is NOT desirable & still needs notice BUT for what it IS & what it CAN do.
Notice AGAIN & still that there is NOT even existing technology TO DO SUCH sequestration, just much rhetorical presentation, & that it IS now being PLEADED that another 5 YEARS are waited for such technology to be "produced"...after near 30 years of talking.
Yet Tidal Station Power Utilities ACTUALLY exist, their ABILITIES are well known whilst ANY REAL PROBLEM from "greenhouse gases" could have been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced by the wide spread use of Tidal Station Generation Utilities...if there WAS a REAL problem many of those Nations that rapidly signed the KYOTO TREATY, most even USING Tidal Station Generation Utilities WHEN those signatures where made...could have began IMMEDIATELY producing SOLUTIONS.
It seems the climate ISSUE is being made much more of importance than is any REAL climate problem. The ISSUE is filled with TALK-FESTING avoiding notice of the LACK of any REAL problem. Of GREATEST interest then within the "Environmental Lobby", AS noticed by "its" behavior, is to suppress SOLUTIONS to that 'problem' so often TALKED of.
This is to garner some persistence of relevance of RHETORICAL presentations, whilst the ISSUE of SUPPOSED "global warming" IS NOT so REAL after all it seems. Certainly NOTHING is being done by the "Environmental Lobby" that is other than TALKING, & attempting to make such TALKING the persistent effort.
So again, the "climate problem" would be seemingly of far less import than the LOBBY issue that is made of such...
But predetermined NEED was IGNORED by the "environmental lobby" to cater (& pander) to expressions of BELIEF & IDEOLOGY & so development of CLEAN COAL technology (INCLUDING consideration of EXTRACTION procedures) was also interrupted, even suppressed...as has been Tidal Station Power generation development (even when seen in use & functional still).
The "Planet is NOT "dying" or is even shown & noticed as being "sick" in ANY manner or style. POLLUTION Is not desirable but it is NOT causal of "global warming" in ANY REAL MANNER beyond notice of Particulates ('black' Carbon included)...as already mentioned.
There is not SCIENCE in a parade of parroted "climate opinions", or flawed analogies as so often noticed within the platformings of the politik-nic presenting "greenhouse climate woe"...their 'issue' is not at all attached to any real problem. The politik-nic simply do not want to become irrelevant & do not CARE for either the Environment OR that REAL & GENERATIONAL 'social damage' to those 2 BILLION people...do WE hear any APOLOGY being proffered from these 'enviro-politik-nics'...no just more self-indulgent WHININGS.
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
In response to:-
{Anonymous}
so does the NOAA endorse your view and this site?
As usual {Anonymous} tries only to avoid notice of the DETAIL, in the usual self-interested style of the POLITICAL-FANATIC.
The DATA is all that is relevant {Anonymous} in SCIENCE & NOT 'opinion'.
The DATA shows clearly within Australia three (3) sites.
Tasmania (~Hobart centric), ~Darwin centric (within the Northern Territory) & a position within Western Australia that would appear to be ~Kalgoorlie.
Apart from Tasmania (already given some detail in mention) notice that Kalgoorlie is in a desert region whilst Darwin is in the Northern Tropics of Australia. This makes the Situation presented within Tasmania quite directly noticeable {Anonymous} & there is no need to even heed {your} disassociated desperation to avoid notice of such.
Despair as loudly as {you} like {Anonymous}, in {your} usual irrational manner but SCIENCE is not 'opinion based'. The DATA will always speak more loudly...
There is not possible "greenhouse warming" by molecular components within the Atmosphere in the manner outlined by the {greenhouse theory}, this is said NOT as an 'opinion'.
This also whilst such theory as IS used CAN be seen to produce a warming effect IF & ONLY IF are considered Atmospheric Particulates, again NOT by 'opinion'.
If {you} Anonymous can discuss the SCIENCE involved then do so, else slink back to {your} 'group-politic' & leave SCIENCE to those who both understand such & can politely discuss such in terms OTHER than in opinion of ANY style or source...
{You} are indeed {Anonymous} part of the actual problem of 'climate', not at all a part of any REAL 'solution'.
Notice then those suppositions of (& within) "greenhouse" issues with persistent mention of it being "eco-friendly to support renewable use".
Notice that Tidal Station Power Utilities ACTUALLY exist, their ABILITIES are well known whilst ANY REAL PROBLEM from "greenhouse gases" could have
been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced by the wide spread use of Tidal Station Generation Utilities.
Notice that there is one such Utility South of Sydney near Wollongong if memory serves me correctly, yet how little PRESS & MEDIA mention is ever seen?
When has {Anonymous} ever 'sung the praises' of these CAPABLE & PRESENTLY FUNCTION 'renewable utilities?
NEVER would be the answer...
These utilities could have been more widely used YEARS ago...if there WAS a REAL "climate" problem with many of those Nations that rapidly signed the KYOTO TREATY even USING Tidal Station Generation Utilities WHEN those signatures where made...
Notice then the plots in that link the DIRECT correlation to Human Population & "anomaly temperature" of the Surface, the dot plot correlation to HUMAN SPRAWL developments. Notice then the plots within that link, & notice the DIRECT correlation to Human Population developments & alteration to Surface Materialing. This is altering regional Weather patterning by altering TURBULENCE in notice of Temperature & PRESSURE variations. Such Radiation that becomes surface incident WILL produce a higher Induction Rate of Kinetic Energy within the "new" Materials presented upon the Planetary Surface.
The NON-UNIFORM production of this Kinetic Induction (measured as an increase in the Temperature of the Surface), being due to the variation in the Materials of the Surface (~70% being Water) but upon which Humanity does not always build. This (specifically Oceanic) Surface is seen warmed by System Conduction & Convection processes, those processes within that increased (System) Turbulence.
It is the physical expressions of Turbulence that is observed as WEATHER & which powers Ocean Currents as another example. Turbulence is the physical notice of WORK being done by that Kinetic Energy being induced within the Environmental 'System'.
What 'opinion' is needed {Anonymous}, apart from those desperate demands attempting to COVER the CLIMATE TRUTH, that being there IS in fact NO PROBLEM.
IN FACT the ISSUE of GREATEST interest to the "Environmental Lobby" (noticed by "its" behavior) is to suppress SOLUTIONS to garner some persistence of relevance of RHETORICAL presentations, whilst the ISSUE of SUPPOSED "global warming" IS NOT so REAL after all it seems.
Certainly NOTHING is being done by the "Environmental Lobby" that is other than TALKING, & attempting to make such TALKING the persistent effort.
So the "climate problem" would be seemingly of far less import than the issue that is made of such.
The REAL problem is of supplying Electricity to the 2 BILLION people world wide WITHOUT such still, this IGNORED by the "environmental lobby" with ONLY effort to cater (& pander) to expressions of (internal) BELIEF & IDEOLOGY.
This all as the "greenhouse platform" IS Political in basis & NOT "scientific" & always has been.
Those 2 BILLION People are no longer waiting however (after ~30 years) for spoilt "eco-bores", like {Anonymous}, to PRODUCE something other than 'an opinion', one "lost generation" seems to have been enough for those regions involved, poverty is all that has been produced.
Coal IS NOW being used more already (& into the foreseeable future) within the GLOBAL 'situation' & such predetermined NEW uses ALL could have been MUCH cleaner NOW & within that greater emplacement of Coal to be yet produced. Such will be unavoidable situation also whilst the REAL alternative, URANIUM, is waiting "to the wings" & would be used instead more widely than it is already if the REAL situation was left to the present form of the "Environmental Lobby" to "remediate".
{You} have (2,000,000,000)+1 apologies to write {Anonymous}. Stop wasting everyone's time...
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/
Well 'jono' it seems to be still all {you} can present is a juvenile, puerile & as ever ARROGANT attitude, seen in the comment beginning:-
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Peter, there will be no apologies. ...
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Jono
Posted by Anonymous to Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues. at Monday, 26 March, 2007
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ALL {you} "jono", along with {your mates}, can do is waffle in an IGNORANT manner to people HOW HAVE ALREADY studied because their CHILDISH clique HAS NOT as yet the KNOWLEDGE to understand WHAT they do IN FACT try to "LIE" about.
The remainder of {your} claims regarding ME are all of NON-EXISTENT situations {you} do create ONLY to justify {your} 'collective' angst.
Such is the behavior 'jono' of the FANATIC trying to justify 'their hate'...& that is HOW others DO see {your collective} harassments of myself.
Meanwhile, NOTICE 'Jono', from behind ALL the internet labels {you} use & also those "few others", still concocting that innuendo & fabrications to hide amongst...
THOSE 2 BILLION people ARE REAL, exist within IMPOVERISHED & plightful conditions AND THAT is ALL {you} 'Jono' & {your} 'mates' help contribute to producing in a persistence style. {You} 'jono' should be ashamed of {yourself}...!
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Notice that there are CITIES within China growing at ~500,000 persons per annum (again recently reported in mainstream media)...
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Notice those slides from within the link:-
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/feb/global.html
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Climate of 2007 - February in Historical Perspective
The dot maps, below left, provides a spatial representation of anomalies calculated from the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN) data set of land surface stations using a 1961-1990 base period.
Temperature anomalies with respect to the 1961-1990 mean for land and ocean are analysed separately and then merged to form the global analysis.
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-: & in particular 'Dec-Feb land surface temperature anomalies' (the first slide). Hopefully this will not 'strain the brains' of those {Anonymous} 'politik-nics'...
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Notice there is a large 'red dot' over the Australian State of Tasmania...a region of Pastoral activity that itself uses Hydropower, to the point that the "enviro-lobby" actively prevented & limited further "valley flooding".
There is a Mining Industry for Coal that would be adding to Particulate emissions, but not much direct 'local' use as fuel, whilst the expansion of Human Sprawl developments is increasing due to relatively cheaper costings...
There is a logging industry also.
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The DATA shows clearly within Australia three (3) sites however of positive surface temperature anomaly. Tasmania (~Hobart centric), ~Darwin centric (within the Northern Territory) & a position within Western Australia that would appear to be ~Kalgoorlie. Apart from Tasmania (already given some detail in mention) notice that Kalgoorlie is in a desert region (with 'some' mining activity) whilst Darwin is in the Northern Tropics of Australia.
This makes the Situation presented within Tasmania quite directly noticeable as being 'special'.
Notice again then that Tidal Station Power Utilities ACTUALLY exist, their ABILITIES are well known whilst ANY REAL PROBLEM from "greenhouse gases" could have
been SIGNIFICANTLY reduced by the wide spread use of Tidal Station Generation Utilities.
So too has been pointlessly interfered with that NOW desparately needed CLEAN COAL technology, covering ALSO the EXTRACTION processes used within the needed developments.
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Notice that there is one such Utility South of Sydney near Wollongong if memory serves me correctly, yet how little PRESS & MEDIA mention is ever seen? Has ANY 'enviro-lobby' MADE ANY MENTION, let alone a POSITIVE comment? No.
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These utilities could have been more widely used YEARS ago...if there WAS a REAL "climate" problem with many of those Nations that rapidly signed the KYOTO TREATY even USING Tidal Station Generation Utilities WHEN those signatures where made...
So the "climate problem" would be seemingly of far less import than the issue that is made of such...by some loud few.
The REAL problem is of supplying Electricity to the 2 BILLION people world wide WITHOUT such still, this IGNORED by the "environmental lobby" with ONLY effort to cater (& pander) to expressions of (internal) BELIEF & IDEOLOGY.
This all as the "greenhouse platform" IS Political in basis & NOT "scientific" & always has been. Now it seems FILLED with FANATICS.
Those 2 BILLION People are no longer waiting however (after ~30 years) for spoilt "eco-bores", to PRODUCE something other than 'an opinion', one "lost generation" seems to have been enough for those regions involved, poverty is all that has been produced.
Coal IS NOW being used more already (& into the foreseeable future) within the GLOBAL 'situation' & such predetermined NEW uses ALL could have been MUCH cleaner NOW & within that greater emplacement of Coal to be yet produced. Such will be unavoidable situation also whilst the REAL alternative, URANIUM, is waiting "to the wings" & would be used instead more widely than it is already if the REAL situation was left to the present form of the "Environmental Lobby" to "remediate".
Go away 'jono', take {your} fanatical 'mates' with {you} & begin writing those (2,000,000,000)+1 apologies.
{You} will not be able to EMAIL such however 'jono' as those 2 BILLION people DO NOT HAVE the electricity to even power a telephonic service, let alone an Internet Infrastructure WITH 'personal computers'...getting FOOD is often of far more importance...try HAND DELIVERING those apologies 'jono...et.al' & stop wasting everyone's time...with {your} childish angst & tantrums.
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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In response to:-
From: Anonymous [mailto:noreply-comment@blogger.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:20 PM
To: hartlod@bigpond.com
Subject: [Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues.] New comment on Regarding ["Attorney General Lockyer Files Lawsuit....
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Regarding ["Attorney General Lockyer Files Lawsuit...":
Peter, there will be no apologies. reading your spurious attempts at various blog sites...you have harassed, blamed and insulted others without acknowledging alternate viewpoints. I've seen you insult people studying science at uni and others with an education.
furthermore you don't back up your claims with hard, peer reviewed evidence.then you come back with excuses like "they're not my theories or claims"
you should apologise to the taxpayers like me who pay your pension in order for you to live a life of annoying others.
Jono
To affect the Earth's Atmosphere & ["Oceanic Conveyor Belts"] within a {Warming Process} is needed the production of Kinetic Energy. This is from the Interaction of Energy presented as Photons becoming incident to the Surface of the Planet.
Then & also it is Atmospheric Particulates that are of primary capability in the production of an {Atmospheric Warming process}, the Molecular components unable to do so. ESPECIALLY is this the situation if is noticed the 'greenhouse theory' using as it does Theory involving structures present in 'solids' but NOT present in Molecules.
Notice that the so often mentioned 'Sun Spot' activity of 'Solar Minima & Maxima' are of most relevance to noticing 'cosmic ray' nuclei Output within 'Solar activity' that are then 'expected' to impact upon the Dipole 'field' of this Planet. This Magnetic 'field' in interaction with the Atmosphere generally protects the Surface otherwise from such 'cosmic ray' nuclei (with some electrons also presented).
There is not any "greenhouse global warming" process possible as is defined by "greenhouse theory. The warming observed is infact of the Planetary Surface, with this trended to Human Construction of Habitat & the linked trend of such to Human Population.
Notice also that the output of this Kinetic Induction process will not be expressed strongly in observations of System Temperature, but as System Turbulence.
Next, notice in Slides within link
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/feb/global.html
-: See the large Temperature Anomaly over Tasmania (land mass below eastern region of Australia), a location where Mining of Coal occurs, but little actual use so there is a high Particulate addition to the Atmosphere.
-: There is also a logging industry whilst the regional Economy has seen renewed interest in Urban Developments occurring. increasingly. Otherwise beyond this Temperature anomaly Tasmania is one of the most southerly located locations with permanent Human settlement.
Turning of a few lights, once a year, in those places WITH Electricity will in no way assist the Environment outside of 'humans feeling good' styled activity, there are still 2 BILLION people without suitable (if any) Electricity supply...
What is needed is a REALISTIC attitude to what is needed for environmental care, CLEAN COAL & GAS technology, & notice that Uranium IS waiting 'in the wings' of the {greenhouse theatre}...
It is being seen mentioned already that some who carry 'greenhouse' climate suppositions too far become seen as presenting a near 'religious attitude'...
PS:-
To be politely direct & so make very clear to the {few} still harassing this weblog, & as it is already to others known, 'astro(nomical) met(eorologist)s' DO NOT ["read the space weather"] or any ["effect"] on the Earth's Atmosphere or ["Oceanic Conveyor Belts"].
Astronomical Meteorology IS the study of the Weather (& Climate) of OTHER astronomical bodies.
With regards,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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Hartlod some food for you:
"Dr Bryson Bates, director of the CSIRO Climate Program, another lead author, said this generation and the next would be affected by a warming world. "Climate change is real and the time to act is short. Adaptation to climate change is as important as the mitigation of greenhouse gases."
who do I believe Dr Bates or some amateur from the West?
Well firstly it is ONLY as OPINION Anonymous that you PREFER to think of me as 'an amateur', whilst your other prejudices are & have always been, very obvious.
This is as [Anonymous Land] is filled to overflowing with 'believers', platformers of near fanatical 'climate zealotry' but of NIL UNDERSTANDING & even lower comprehension of SCIENCE.
The attraction for you Anonymous appears as to 'a lead author'...another 'lead author' it seems...so just one of those many AUTHORS that Anonymous likes to chat of so to SOUND 'in' perhaps, but only amongst those other totally ignorant zealots as Anonymous 'gets on with'...
Next, notice what IS mentioned Anonymous...[" this generation and the next would be affected by a warming world. "Climate change is real ..."]
I have also mentioned that Humanity DOES need to ADAPT to Climate Change also, to notice the PLACE of Humanity upon this World begin WITHIN this NATURAL Change & NOT listening to PRETENDERS attempting to allude of some 'leading, casual position'.
Perhaps also the AUTHOR should notice that Climate Change IS 'real' & is an ongoing PROCESS of Nature, never ending IN FACT, whilst TIME is not 'short' there being NO 'CLIMATE DISASTER' at all apparent with the 'comment' then falling into only the USUAL effort of allusion to {greenhouse doom & woe}, 'fodder' infact only of the deluded 'greenhouse climate fanatic' that Anonymous IS...
To TEACH you Anonymous some SCIENCE notice the situation presented IN FACT within the slides in link...
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/feb/global.html
Notice that Tasmania IS a 'global warming' hot spot.
Tasmania does mine Coal but has little direct use of such, this will add Particulates to the Atmosphere from that process of Coal extraction.
The Industry of & within Tasmania is generally Pastoral including a logging industry.
Recently seen is interest & activity in 'Urban Renewal & Development'. There are relatively few 'cars' present & little traffic generally.
Previously the effort to produce Hydroelectricity saw the 'green lobby' actively efforting to prevent further 'valley flooding' not so long ago (perhaps one or two decades).
Realise then that it is Particulates & Water Vapour over a Tasmanian 'Surface' showing also an increasing Human Sprawl rematerialing process that is UNDER that warming 'hot spot' dot & NOT CO2.
This also in a place among the most 'southerly' with a permanent Human Population. But without the additional COOLING process being applied by SLIGHT increases of CO2 TASMANIA shows the 'largest' temperature anomaly the Data presents...
There is little need to worry overly about CO2, it is not in its molecular form involved directly in a Warming Process, but infact in a Cooling process of the Atmosphere being the 'limiter' of the warming process induced by Atmospheric H2O molecules. The 'greenhouse science' has near everything it mentions 'back to front' literally.
No matter what 'lead Author' you Anonymous like to parade, the MATERIALS will NOT alter their REAL behaviours, so go crawl away Anonymous, take also those other IGNORANT fools you 'hang with'...BUT ONLY after YOU ALL notice that NEITHER Sydney OR Melbourne showed ANY anomalous behavior of 'Temperature'.
...another 'point' it seems is won 'by the Westie'...
PS:-
Also, no matter what a 'lead Author' mentions CLEAN COAL technology IS required, the 2 BILLION people without a sufficient (or any) supply of Electricity have for a GENERATION heard only ANONYMOUS FOOLS. Now after a generation of POVERTY & DISEASE these 2 BILLION people are building NOW what WILL work NOW. Recently & predominately that effort is being fuelled by COAL & GAS so Anonymous, take your IGNORANT fanatics zealotry and 'stick it' under that rock pile you 'call home', use it as a pillow & if such is a bit 'lumpy' then take of few copies of the 'lead Authors' NOVELS...for 'extra comforting'...see I (& others) do 'care' about you Anonymous.
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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In response to:-
From: Anonymous [mailto:noreply-comment@blogger.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:51 AM
To: hartlod@bigpond.com
Subject: [Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues.] New comment on Regarding ["Attorney General Lockyer Files Lawsuit....
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Regarding ["Attorney General Lockyer Files Lawsuit...":
Hartlod some food for you:
"Dr Bryson Bates, director of the CSIRO Climate Program, another lead author, said this generation and the next would be affected by a warming world. "Climate change is real and the time to act is short. Adaptation to climate change is as important as the mitigation of greenhouse gases."
who do I believe Dr Bates or some amateur from the West?
With 'recent' mentions of 'Kyoto' & 'the IPCC' notice then mention that:-
["The problem for the EU is that Australia is actually on track to meet its Kyoto target"]
but
["at least 12 of the EU’s 15 member nations, including Denmark, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy, are unlikely to meet their 2012 Kyoto commitments."]
I would now also point out that at present Germany is noted to be constructing ~25 'brown coal' fuelled Utilities.
Some might recall me previously mentioning the tremendous volume of such 'brown coal' resources still within (especially 'Eastern') Europe...
It is vitally necessary for CLEAN COAL Technology to be developed.
As those Utilities in Germany are made in response to closing 'older utilities' it is NOW absolutely vital to place the technological development of CLEAN COAL to the fore so to become actually capable of delivering a COMPLETE solution emplacement of/for low cost & CLEAN Utilities.
This is most important to those 2 Billion still looking for 'first solutions'...
Realise that CO2 cannot, that is CANNOT produce any warming effect as the 'greenhouse theory' portrays. Notice that it is the Theories of SCIENCE used within the Greenhouse Theory that cannot produce a warming effect with any notice towards Molecular Components of the Atmosphere...but that Atmospheric Particulates (for example "Black" carbon) CAN be considered in production of a warming effect with notice of such theory as IS used.
This whilst
...["Back in the 1980s, when climate scientists began to notice that sea-surface temperatures were rising, speculation developed that suggested that perhaps the release of carbon into the atmosphere was the cause."]...
that it was that the CARBON then of interest (& so involved) was infact PARTICULATE (i.e. Black Carbon), not any molecule that had 'carbon' in its 'name' or 'chemical description'.
There is no 'majority of scientists', those presented just give OPINION & are mentioned by the same FEW 'faces' trying to make the same 'sounds' (heard for a 'human generation' now) as loudly as possible.
The materials involved do NOT respond to OPINION, it is time those presenting OPINION do however respond to the MATERIALS...& not 'human' politics...Living in a dream isolates you from what is real, not is that Dream made Reality...it is time for the 'greenhouse believers' to WAKE UP.
Yours,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
(*)- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/
(**)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/
In response to:-
Californian madness...LPG & LNG are cleaner than coal...
As Californian's are renowned for (& love) 'their' beach life, perhaps they should notice the first two slides within;
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/feb/global.html
...with these being;
-Temperature Anomalies Dec-Feb 2007 (slide 1) & notice WHERE the temperature anomalies 'begin', which is 'upon the land' surface & closely associated with Human Habitat sprawl; &
-Temperature Anomalies Dec-Feb 2007 (slide 2) & notice the association of Water Surface anomalies to that potential of Atmospheric convection/conduction FROM Associated Land Surface regions to regional Water Surface, along with direct contact conduction along the costal margin regions involved;
It does appear that what NEEDS to be done is for Humanity to alter HOW (& from WHAT) it constructs 'its' Habitat.
Then is required to be considered WHERE such habitat constructions occur.
What WOULD seem required is a REVISED attitude to COASTAL LAND DEVELOPMENT so to minimise the Conduction/CONVECTION of 'heat' to Coastal Margin Strip Water (river & oceanic).
Consider that in past times Coastal Settlement was made to support the MAJOR use of Maritime Short haul Transport, being the most efficient method of transport.
Now such is made by ROAD & RAIL...now that well maintained 'roads & rails' are available.
As such Coastal Development is more now based in AESTHETIC reasonings & not any required PRACTICAL reasonings.
This is just ONE instance of development habits of the PAST that have NOT been addressed within current POLITICAL notice, too much being WASTED on pointless (& fruitless) "greenhouse bargaining's"...
Notice then that...
-the rematerialing by Humanity within its sprawling Habitat uses materials far more able to interact with 'UV' Photons to produce an intrinsic Kinetic Gain & that a warmer surface WILL produce 'hotter air'.
The 'Human Surface' is much warmer than 'Nature Intended'...
-the star Sol provides Energy as Photons indeed, but it is the MATERIALS of this Planet that in their Interactions produce 'heat', which is measured as Temperature with also a physical link to Pressure.
-the WARMER (than 'Natural') 'Human Surface' is producing more 'warmer' air...the (increasingly exaggerated) non-uniform situation of the 'Human Surface' production is inturn increasing Turbulence within 'environmental systems'.
-"Weather" is the observed physical expressions of Turbulence & as is so often heard 'systems of weather' are 'expressions' of Climate...
Climate IS changing constantly within its Natural Progression but some FEW (loud) Humans have misinterpreted alteration of System Turbulence that IS 'man-made' as being 'man-made climate change'...it is not however much more than Weather Patterning alterations.
Regards,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
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IMPORTANT...updated
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in P.S. & also to make notice:-'Anonymous' still harasses this site & is making threats that require me to make a general warning...I do not shop at the ALDI supermarket in Quakers Hill. Whoever was 'seen' as is claimed, it was NOT myself whilst my details CAN be seen within the online information of my Trademark.
Perhaps I should make notice to that ALDI store Management that there are 'enviro-terrorists' frequenting that area, with 'anonymous' obviously so obsessed that criminal activity is being rationalised.
Notice that there is NOT mention of 'Anthropogenic' in the title of a 'new' department ANYWHERE...fabrication is however that ability 'anonymous' persists in displaying...along with ignorance & arrogance;
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Posted by Anonymous to Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues. at Sunday, 22 April, 2007
["Enviro terrorists in Aldi? what were they doing? not recycling the cardboard boxes? I better report them to the new Department of Environment and (Anthropogenic) Climate Change."]
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...so notice 'anonymous' that those processes of NATURAL change to Climate WILL require far more activity, NOT within any pointless efforts to 'STOP' such changes but to implement actions to 'cope' with such.
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Just to give notice to the People of California, it seems that as already are those 'major European Economies', the effort to pursue 'greenhouse' nonsense will see also Australia becoming a user of Uranium to fuel Electricity Generation. It is mentioned that to proclaim that 'greenhouse reductions' need to be made cannot be disassociated from such uses of Uranium increasing. It is that now BOTH 'major' Political Sides within Australia WILL be accepting Uranium being so used.
This I have been warning of as there is not in either FACT or SCIENCE any 'climate related' reason to avoid use of Clean Technology Coal & Gas. Atmospheric CO2 is unable to produce Warming as the 'greenhouse theory' portrays. The Theories of SCIENCE used to construct 'Greenhouse Theory' cannot themselves produce 'Warming' with notice of Molecular Components.
Citing of OPINION cannot alter this situation, regardless of the supposed 'consensus' or other opinion 'source', whilst Atmospheric Particulates (e.g. Black Carbon) & Water are correctly noticed as producing such atmospheric 'Warming' effects. It seems that the 'greenhouse drone' will not cease until however it is actively made redundant & moot by wide spread use OF Uranium. Too late then but, as I have also warned. I would point out that it is not just Australia that needs 'CLEAN Coal' Technology however.
Those ~ 2 BILLION people still without (through lack of Electricity supply) Health Services, Employment opportunities, & supply of Water & Sewerage processing Infrastructure have for a generation been living in plightful & impoverished situations. Western 'eco-dreams', now 'chanted' for ~30 years, are of little interest to this Population, without Internet or even 'newspapers' the 'climate debate' isn't even noticed.
Without electricity this Human Population has grown tired of waiting...there is NOT at all a 'war against climate change' needing even to be considered, let alone fought. There isn't place for philosophical word-play regarding 'precaution' in any manner, principle or otherwise. Show a problem exists! Change is Natural & NEEDS to be coped {deal successfully with a difficult situation} with whilst Pollution is not desired.
The "Climate Chant" is only preventing the former Need being noticed whilst only increasing amounts of the latter. Keeping the 'problems' solvable means such will be 'solved' & Pollution is NOT creating 'climate change'.
Pollution is unable to be seen doing so with the 'Theory' platformed so far. Those 2 Billion People will NOT be waiting any longer, there is no choice to make in THEIR Future. Keeping their choices CLEAN & AFFORDABLE (realise these are POOR National Regions) however is all 'we' can do realistically in the REALITY that exists.
PS:- In relation to a silly comment posted by Anonymous at Sunday, 29 April, 2007 (with a 'name' of 'J Karls' being 'seen')...it is due to individuals such as 'you' that Open Discussion is not possible on CLIMATE whilst 'YOU' assist in more rapid AND wide-spread use of Uranium.
Whoever 'you' are, 'your' pointless & quite silly comment trying (as it is) for a 'sound of being informed' shows only however how IGNORANT 'you' are.
Regards, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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DO notice 'J Karls' (& others) from;
http://climateprogress.org/2007/04/23/china-to-be-proactive-in-post-kyoto-talks/#comments
...where in it was said on April 23rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm;
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... Here is an article from after the fact:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/ID13Dh01.html
There were two relevant paragraphs:
The joint statement on energy calls for increased Japanese cooperation in promoting energy-saving in China using Japanese technology. It also reaffirms cooperation in the construction of nuclear power plants. Furthermore, the two countries agreed to work on a successor to the Kyoto Protocol on curbing global warming, which expires in 2012.
China has set a goal of improving its energy efficiency by 20% by 2010 in its current five-year plan for economic and social development. Japan’s increased assistance for China in this area will benefit both because it helps China correct its tendency to waste resources and possibly dull its avid appetite for oil and gas reserves in the East China Sea and elsewhere.
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Notice that the 'contents' of such comment IS EXACTLY what I was mentioning PRE-EMPTIVELY as the 'background' to the 'climate issue' so many months ago...
'Climate change' is just an issue, it is NOT a problem whilst URANIUM presents REAL & KNOWN PROBLEMS, it is not just that there is a 'uranium issue'...
This I have been warning of as there is not in either FACT or SCIENCE any 'climate related' reason to avoid use of Clean Technology Coal & Gas. Atmospheric CO2 is unable to produce Warming as the 'greenhouse theory' portrays.
It does seems however that the 'greenhouse drone' will not cease until however it is actively made redundant & moot by wide spread use OF Uranium. Too late then but, as I have also warned.
You see 'kids', the REAL WAR is a MARKET BATTLE to provide POWER to that (now) ~2 Billion...once settled by the 'Power Giants' then 'climate' will NOT even be seen as an issue.
In fact when that inevitable 'Uranium accident' occurs, it WILL be that the 'greenhouse platformers' will be 'held out to dry' & included in 'damages litigations' as culpable...there was NEVER any reason to use Uranium it will be noticed...so lets hope those 'climate doom' book revenues are available to PAY COMPENSATION...
So 'J Karls', notice not only are my comments NOT being 'limited' by the Daily Telegraph but that I (& others I show the 'emails' to, I KEEP all such 'comments') do tire of the OBVIOUS harassment from only so FEW, with all observably being (near) complete idiots. Whilst URANIUM is closer every month, the ONLY consolation offered is the quietening of the 'climate drones'...but such is not still yet sufficient 'justification' in itself.
'You' have NOT 'J Karls' said anything worth commenting upon, hence my 'reply to you' is placed within material I 'work up' for new articles, complete with suitable Slides from NOAA & other sources.
Go away 'J Karls'...
With regards Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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In response to:-
-----Original Message-----
From: Anonymous [mailto:noreply-comment@blogger.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:59 PM
To: hartlod@bigpond.com
Subject: [Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues.]
Dear Peter, I said nothing about uranium. You're obvious dyslexia is affecting you. That's why the Telegraph blog are trying to limit your input as you tend to hijack debate.
J Karls
To the People of California, it needs to be noticed that the issue of greatest importance to the 'greenhouse Platformer' is Funding, and is the only Issue that has ever been bothered with.
It is Funding that is the Global Issue of 'concern, not at all any actual PROBLEM to be noticed or requiring remediation otherwise. Only (Self) Interest of the 'Greenhouse Platform(er)' is in the perpetuation of those efforts to a production (by cross comment) support. Such so to maintain the relevance of the platforms 'support organisations', the NGO's. Such effort only to maintain sufficient SCARE to so be kept that search for FUNDING funded.
Real solutions have even been prevented or deferred by such activities, being dangerous to continued Funding. There is no other actual or VALID effort noticed from the 'Greenhouse Platform(er)'. Such do still harass this weblog to prevent Open Discussion, whilst approaches even more rapidly Now even Wider use of Uranium as Fuel for Electricity Generation. Such is in locations that 'Western Ideologists' still try to control but the best method of such control is to remove 'Ideological Policy' opposing or deferring use of Gas as fuel in those regions.
The efforts within Politics has now EGO protected as much as 'Position'. There are however other factors pressuring those 'Political Egos' with relevance to that situation of discussion. It seem that those ~2 Billion People (previously mentioned) have become tired to the style of inane banter as the 'greenhouse platform' makes and are 'on the move' so placing Pressure on the EU Communities economies and societies.
It is not a 'solution' to plan better methods of 'assimilation', but to remove that giving rise to the Migration. This will entail the EU lifting its Ideological demands regarding 'Kyoto Treaty' issues towards Energy Production and facilitate those 'Source Regions' to then gain those required Services with use of (Clean) Coal or Gas (as required).
That local resident Population will then have removed the need 'to go seek' those services elsewhere. Realised that 'Europe', is THIRD in the 'Populous regions' stakes, behind both 'Asia' and 'Africa'.
If present Policy is maintained, the 'EU Economy' will collapse, unable to sustain 'traditional' Social Structure. Such will be OVERCOME by the new 'migrant Population' ('registered' or not) as it continues growing.
Politics moves within a 'Need to Cope', as a 'learning process', which in Politics near always has a 'scapegoat' required. This situation will see the "Scientists", who don't face criminality for FRAUD with Fiscal involvements and 'present' the supposed 'greenhouse doom' be 'the goat' inevitably, their numeracy is just too 'rubbery'. Again Ideology in regard to "Issues" of 'Climate' and 'Energy Production' face Reality with only a few Paper Wavers in the front line...perhaps mentioning 'that’s my juniper bush'...but Reality again will (and still) present itself.
Yours, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
As response to 'Anonymous' posting to Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues at Friday, 25 May, 2007.
In response to comment by Anonymous to 'Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues' at Friday, 25 May, 2007 at 6:15 PM;
-----Original Message-----
what a load of c**p. typical hartlod incomprehensive uneducated cut and paste. If you are so right ... [snipped]
Tammy
Blacktown
---Original Message End---
So whilst there was no 'cut and paste' used, and as can be seen otherwise Anonymous ample evidence (below) from NOW, I would also (and again) mention having pre-emptively noted the potential for such situations many months, if not years even, ahead.
More information such as seen in those links below IS available, is easy to find (if you do look), but I will not waste time on 'you'.
These articles below are also 'easy' for someone who IS in Blacktown to find, and will otherwise start you on that path to comprehension you Anonymous do so desparately need to find:-
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nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_36153.shtml
www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007407915
www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007407915
www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5790728?nclick_check=1
www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=456666&in_page_id=1811&ito=1490
www.eubusiness.com/Living_in_EU/1178895618.21
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So apart from you being completely ignorant Anonymous whilst clearly arrogant (usually follows ignorance), what other qualities do you use to support 'global warming' alarmism?
Yours, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
To make mention of present discussion contents to the People of California (as I work on new articles for my BigBlog 'shift') I would present the following. I do this also to show 'Anonymous' WHAT is 'adult discussion in the making', as still does Anonymous harass myself and this weblog.
So, then to notice... http://www.news.com.au/sundaytelegraph/story/0,22049,21919884-5006003,00.html ...that the 'Journalistic effort' entitled... 'Climate change behind Darfur killing' ...has the making of allusion that 'manmade climate change' is become responsible for such Social Violence as involved.
Such is an opinion (as reported) of the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and with notice of mention '... Khartoum agreed this week to accept 23,000 UN and African Union peacekeepers after four years of fighting, which has killed at least 200,000 people. ...'
The Solutions? '... "Any real solution to Darfur's troubles involves sustained economic development,'' perhaps using new technologies, genetically modified grains or irrigation, while bettering health, education and sanitation, he said. ...'
But is noticed however then 'ANALYSIS-Khartoum wins diplomatic victory over Darfur force' (15/06/07 Reuters), seen... http://www.savedarfur.org/newsroom/clips/analysis_khartoum_wins_diplomatic_victory_over_darfur_force/
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Sudan has won a diplomatic victory by accepting a joint U.N.-African Union peacekeeping force in Darfur on terms that, once again, buy it more time and stave off sanctions, analysts say. After months of negotiations, Sudan accepted a joint force of at least 20,000 troops and police, but said it would be under AU command and control and most troops would be African, conditions analysts say weaken its ability to protect 2.5 million Darfuris driven from their homes by four years of conflict. "This has to count as a diplomatic victory for the regime," said Eric Reeves, a U.S. academic and Darfur activist. "Time and time again they've had their backs apparently against the wall, but have wiggled out to retain overall control of the security crisis in Darfur." "Anything that causes delays is to (Khartoum)'s advantage, as is any type of agreement that leaves them basically unscathed in terms of power within Sudan," said Sudan expert John Ashworth. Despite numerous signed agreements, Khartoum has failed to disarm militia who continue to attack civilians in Darfur. "The announcement comes in the wake of countless broken promises and therefore in an atmosphere of mistrust," said actress Mia Farrow, who is leading a campaign to persuade China to put pressure on Khartoum over Darfur. "The fact that the agreement is conditional suggests that it will not be implemented any time soon." "We are looking at a time line imposed over immeasurable human suffering," she added. "(Khartoum) has been seeking to neuter the UN force established in Resolution 1706 for almost a year now, and I am certain the regime views this 'agreement' as a big step forward in that effort," said Lawrence Rossin, a senior member of the activist Save Darfur Coalition.
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Notice then 'Unity Statement' from... http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/unity_statement
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"The emergency in Sudan’s western region of Darfur presents the starkest challenge to the world since the Rwanda genocide in 1994. A government-backed Arab militia known as Janjaweed has been engaging in campaigns to displace and wipe out communities of African tribal farmers (notes about our current use of ethnic terminology).
Villages have been razed, women and girls are systematically raped and branded, men and boys murdered, and food and water supplies targeted and destroyed. Government aerial bombardments support the Janjaweed by hurling explosives as well as barrels of nails, car chassis and old appliances from planes to crush people and property. Tens of thousands have died. Well over a million people have been driven from their homes, and only in the past few weeks have humanitarian agencies gained limited access to some of the affected region.
Mukesh Kapila, the former United Nations humanitarian coordinator for Sudan, said on March 19, 2004 that the violence in Darfur is “more than a conflict, it's an organized attempt to do away with one set of people.” The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum has issued its first ever genocide emergency. John Prendergast of International Crisis Group warns, “We have not yet hit the apex of the crisis.”
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) estimates that 350,000 people or more could die in the coming months. Ongoing assessments by independent organizations such as Medecins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders) suggest that USAID’s estimate may be conservative. If aid is denied or unavailable, as many as a million people could perish.
Lives are hanging in the balance on a massive scale."
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As for the veracity of UN OPINIONS, notice... “Zimbabwe is presently entering a stage of rapid industrialisation and motorisation,” the UNEP sighed. “This has resulted in increased air pollution, as well as the increased emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.”
Climate Changes, it is however also BECOME a U.N. Excuse to avoid action......with then again being realised within the 'Real' World the poor situation of Business and such links then to Electricity Generation. Such also within Zimbabwe's 'troubles', with actual solution being 'sustained economic development, perhaps using new technologies, genetically modified grains or irrigation, while bettering health, education and sanitation'...
Is it the UN is going into support of 'regimes' perhaps? Climate Changes, it is now such related issues have become THE excuse for the U.N. to avoid actions that the U.N. was FORMED TO TAKE...with 'climate issues' NOT BEING so involved at all. Such a near futile efforts anyway, as neither China or India can cease installing necessary Utilities, whilst Africa is not really began such effort yet. This accounts for near one half of the worlds population. 300 Million Chinese are ALSO still without Sewerage Treatment and so raw effluent is still pouring into a large (third largest in the world?) River system. Food, Water and Electricity ARE all 'required' in both the Present and Future. Climate was changing long before Humanity 'decided' anything.
Playing still after ~30 years the 'Climate Doom Theatre' is become 'used' by near any Person, Lobby or Committee for near any purpose. Seen now are mentions of potential for the Electronic Gaming Industry, within its Consoles and 'Net Gaming' Services, to 'help' make an 'AGW Solution'...perhaps. Let us all get some (Practical) Reality into the Environmental 'perspective'...before 'Environmental Concern' becomes perhaps only 'the previous fad' Console entertainment.
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So to then notice the barely relevant 'bits' from 'anonymous', I find the (Australian) ABC rather false too often in its reporting of 'climate', already presenting previously Journalists as 'climate experts' whilst also I (and others) do realise that as a prospective (next) P.M. Mr Costello will 'kiss babies' as readily as express 'Belief in human induced change' of Climate. HOWEVER the making of DISCURSIVE comments is entirely different from such 'expressions' as 'you' do attempt still anonymous. I am also very sure 'you' would enjoy Networked 'Environmental Concern' whilst it is BELIEVED 'fashionable to play' by 'your peers'.
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Yours, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
In response to:-
Anonymous posting nonsense still to Open Discussions on Climate and related Issues at Sunday, 17 June, 2007 (and previously)
To further clarify then points, issues and situations Reality involves to the People of California...with notice that Climate changing isn't 'a problem' still.
Humanity MUST Cope, not Panic or Levy upon 'climate blame' within 'political climates'.
'Now' is having used 'climate issues' to EXCUSE Genocide, seen within Now is 'making less' of People killed 'by the GUN' to be instead noticing 'drought'.
So again from... http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/unity_statement
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The emergency in Sudan's...region of Darfur presents the starkest challenge...since the Rwanda genocide in 1994. A government-backed Arab militia...Janjaweed...engaging in campaigns to displace and wipe out communities of African tribal farmers.
Villages...razed; women and girls...raped and branded; men and boys murdered; food and water supplies...destroyed.
Government...bombardments support...Janjaweed by hurling explosives...barrels of nails...car chassis...from planes to crush people...Tens of thousands have died...a million people...driven from their homes...humanitarian agencies gained limited access to...the affected region..."The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum has issued its first ever genocide emergency....
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'What of population relocation?'; is asked...Is the phrase 'Sudanese Refuge' however unknown to some few and what those 'refuges' ran from? The obvious 'Lie of Climate' is Now made by the U.N. with 'climate' become a 'white wash' for Genocide. People are Now being killed with processes of Genocide...never of 'unnatural change' to Climate. The culpability of the U.N. is abundantly clear, also in noticed 'UN speak' regarding Zimbabwe. Don't assist in the 'climate lie'... notice even the U.N. itself uses the 'lie of climate' Now.
The only 'International failure' then is of (and by) the U.N. in NOT doing what 'it' was formed to do...which wasn't to attempt shaping 'changes' of Planetary Climate into any level of 'counter issue' or make EVER such of more important to stopping Genocide. Talk is easy, talk is cheap, talk is all of 'climate' ever made with what IS of importance NOT being mentioned. Sloth is perhaps still then the 'greatest original sin'...and is now being 'institutionalised' and titled with 'Climate Department'.
Yours, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(TM)
PS:- With reducing regard to non-discursive (but persistent) abuse from 'Anonymous' (again made at Monday, 18 June, 2007) do notice Anonymous that your desire to NOT notice what is REAL, or read of such events (with also links given), shows your 'climate beliefs' to be only the expression of such Ignorance your obvious Pride and Arrogance only attempts to hide...unsuccessfully. Make a comment that is printable Anonymous, discussing material here in presented (and as is also derived from my private discussions), as rude, irrelevant abuse isn't otherwise heeded or 'published'.
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