Glaciers melt in relation to the Permanent Ice point, NOW around 2500 metres (with a slow rise) whilst during the last Glaciation perhaps as low as ~1500 meters. Realise also that the melting of ice has input of kinetic energy, the forming of ice releases kinetic energy.
As the natural processes push the last glaciation back to its 'start position', the Permanent ice point is still slowly rising. As the 'ice melt' slows however the amount of energy available for the processes of Turbulence will increase. That is the level of Turbulence and events there in linked (like precipitation) will increase observed alterations in patterning behavior and intensity.
As levels of turbulence increases however, the measure of Temperature will level and then drop, in which increases in turbulent activity will result in reduction in "Temperature".
This will induce the Permanent Ice point to begin to decrease its altitude and Glaciers will begin to reform. By reforming, this ice will increase kinetic input to Turbulence, lowering 'Temperature', further dropping the Permanent Ice point and the Glaciers will grow back...This is how the reversion of 'warming' back towards the 'recurring Glaciation' proceeds within those periods such a process is observed.
When the production of Turbulence is too gradual however, the rise of kinetic energy is instead seen in 'Temperature Rises'. This is how the Primary Oscillation is lifted out of its Trough and up to its Crest.
'Sluggish' Turbulence alterations will see variations in SEA LEVEL from much higher relative (to dry land) points as the amount of Turbulence alters. As the energy input from the local star is so restricted in its surface incidence (see slide below), eventually the increase in turbulence WILL begin to decrease surfacemedian temperatures.
This periodicity in Geological Time of Glaciation Periods is seen in the slide placed above. The green boxes represent Periods in which Glaciations recurred (NOW is to the far right of the chart, within that smaller green box). The slide immediately below is indicative of the surface situation within the last Glacation event representing the presence of Snow and Ice.
All this has happened before, and is not needing a fabricated 'greenhouse effect' or even 'Human altered greenhouse effect' to detail the natural processes still in play. The flaw in logic of 'unnatural effect' global 'greenhouse warmists' is that there IS over attention and notice of 'rate', and in disproportional 'humanistic' time frames.
There is no validity garnered from these 'humanistic time frames' due to the irregular periodicity in natural climate processes, in 'rates' that are infact within a 'climate time frame'. Using 'numbers' to numerate a point, if 'sea level rises' are the 'fastest' in ~20o years what is the actual relevance, they might slow down their rate of rise in another ~100 years and fit again with those times within the last ~200 years already known to be slower than NOW. Climate would still be Natural in its 'workings' however, even if the 'number' was ~2000 years. It is a Human foible to consider a few decades as at all relevant to Climate processes. It is SCIENCE to realise that Climate trends are NOT discerned in 30 or 90 years of 'temperature measures'. Nor are observations NOW the effect of processes of NOW, the 'synchronicity' is simply NOT so direct in Climate processes of cause and effect.
The 'last' Glaciation reverted as Natural warming processes again 'accelerated'. That process has not stopped; simply the glaciation is still retreating. Glaciers, especially those still at altitude (the lowest already having melted), alter their 'melt rate' however as the Permanent Ice level rises through the Atmosphere. This altitude was around 1500 metres within the last glacial event. NOW it is around 2500 metres and rising still (even if slowly or possibly 'peaking'), the 'irregularity' muted by the ability of Gases to exhibit Turbulence to inputs of kinetic energy. This input is sometimes reported as a 'temperature rise' but these are inconsistent due to Turbulence.
To rephrase this as a means of explanation, the muting of effect, and observed lag, is due to the production of Turbulence in reaction to input of Kinetic Energy, but is not measurable as Temperature until the processes with Turbulence produce a system input that can be measured as Temperature. Kinetic Energy in use within a process of Turbulence is NOT in itself measurable as Temperature, such energy can only be regarded ONCE, a basic concept of SCIENCE. Mass that is being so transported can have an intrinsic 'temperature' separate of the overall turbulent activity. As such, it is observable to have for instance a 'warm' OR 'cool' wind (air in motion).
So Glaciers at altitude can still be melting, and be doing so as Polar Ice reforms, the observations showing only lag of effect from processes possible and already been through with their 'current' effect at some previously positioned 'time point' within the evident past since the last Glaciation ~20,000 years ago.
However, the indication that a reversion to another Glaciation event would be the final slow to a stop of any rise in, then consistent descent of, the Permanent Ice point altitude. This should be less prone to short term (i.e. in any Humanistic time frame) variation than simplistic reliance on Temperature measures and the included variation induced by Turbulence.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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To answer a persistent line of discussion, there is needed to be made some basic 'lines in the sand'. The first is to notice that the 'Polar regions' have been with less ice than present and the sea level has been higher than present, and neither have been any indication of 'disaster'.
Humanity simply needs to behave as does 'nature' and move about, relocation made with less bemoaning of the obsolescence and abandonment of Humanities fixed infrastructure with these actions being a supposed 'sign' of a 'disaster'. All that is needed is to drop the 'fear' contained within the clamour of 'global warming' or 'global cooling' and notice that it has all happened before. It is all natural within an ongoing 'system wide process'. It is only the structures Humanity builds that is at the base of so much 'greenhouse doom an woe'.
Realise also that Humanity gained it's 'dominance' by being able to adapt to the descent INTO this period of recurring Glaciations about 3 Million years ago. That previous to this present period there had been for about 250 Million years (see chart above such conditions observed generally, and that the initial descent into the present period of recurring Glaciations would have been a 'shock' to those species then present, with their 'accumulation' of ~250 Million years of 'evolved inexperience' (so to speak) to also overcome.
The issue, with a regard to 'climate motion' that prompted this comment is that of suggestion of 'diversion' of incoming Solar energy. It is not of any real assistance to heed suggestions involving attempts to divert Solar energy before it has even been seen to be in any unnatural excess, or even dangerous. It is not seen that any 'extra energy' is even surface incident at present, or such that is in any manner capable of creating unnatural warming. It is infact the alterations to the surface by Humanity that is being realised as the cause of the alterations to kinetic induction by in an overall manner altering the style of interactions made to that energy that is available.
It is the materials that are being altered, NOT the 'energy'. The 'energy' is observed within the reactions of evolutionary adaptation of species, to not have altered substantially within the 'Humanistic' time frame of 'Millennia', or even within geological time frames involving some combination of concepts of 'Eons > Eras > Periods > Epochs' for the evolutionary processes. An ancient 'tree' species 'rediscovered in a remote Australian valley' does as well NOW as it must have done millions of years previously, noticed from the number of seedlings being now produced.
If you consider the chart of atmospheric absorbance at above, it is noted there in that the energy that is surface incident must have been so dispensed for millennia, and this situation can be seen exampled within the evolutionary processes as with regards to the primary position of the photosynthetic process in its widespread use, and the adaptation of Humanity to energy within the UV Region, to mention just two of the bio-formed processes. The existence of life on the surface of this Planet is defining within its structures the limitation of energy within the Infrared Region that has ever been able to become surface incident and the amount of energy ever contained within such Radiation as is incident and its intensity.
Why would you wish to 'increase' the 'reflectivity' of the Earth? What spectrum would you be targeting? Any material you place will need to interact with incident Radiation in ALL incident spectrums and NOT produce 'extra' kinetic induction within those processes of interaction, else there will only be additions to the amount of 'heat' (kinetic energy) induced overall, and thus available to be retained within the biosphere to begin with. Would you try to place in orbit anything to interfere with what is obviously natural within and over longer time frames than even One Million years?
The progenitor species of Humanity gained dominance by adaptation to the realised and REAL, not the 'opinioned and contrived', and these species where Nomadic, so not to say 'modern' Humanity needs to live in 'caravans of trailers', it needs to realise that the present fixation of the Human psyche with 'permanence' needs to be more involving of the SPECIES, that what the species constructs. Humanity needs to notice more what is being done to the surface, with what these actions are being produced with (in as far as rematerialing is concerned) and realise that the surface IS the livelihood not only of 'the animals', but of Humanity also.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
By the time the masses realise that the interglacial has ended, the continental glaciers will be growing and the midlatitude nations will be dumbstruck and paralysed like deer in the headlights. The warmers are not only bad scientists, they are ethically speaking in highly questionable territory. The ethically correct thing is always to state "climate change happens" but not to bias the discussion in terms of whether or not that change will continue in the warming direction, will level, or, will move into glacial mode. By implying that glacial mode is not a possibility, the warmers mislead the masses and actually hinder anything resembling effective contingency planning geared to accomodate ALL realistic scenarios.
The outstanding comment attributed to the recent "NAS PANEL" was in this panel saying 'that it is merely the warmest year in 400 years'. This was made as that is all that can be said, "It is the warmest for 400 years!" and realise that it is the surface median temperature again that is being the centre of 'attention'.
The attempt to defuse 'a situation' was why the NAS committee WAS 'convened' as the increasingly puerile claims of 'climate change' are increasingly becoming harder to justify.
There is no point stating 'opinion and belief' that there is a 'greenhouse effect' that involves the use of Energy that exists as Photons but attempts to produce that Energy within 'models' as 'heat'. That s WHY 'the situation' is existent. A Photon IS individual and separate from the molecules of the atmosphere, and does NOT directly present as a measurable Kinetic Input to 'temperature measure' until AFTER an interaction with a material. Then and ONLY then, with the interactions known can the division of the incident Energy be determined tween that reemitted as a secondary Photon and that retained by the materials as a Kinetic Gain.
THIS is how the 'natural world' works, and THAT is how 'models' pretending to study such a natural system NEED to proceed. There is NOT seen sufficient alteration in REAL surface incident energy to power the observations seen by any supposed 'greenhouse effect', and there has NOT been seen, over an extended period, sufficient 'greenhouse Energy' to produce 'greenhouse warming' as even the land surface 'life bio-forms' attest to (including Humanity and its now realised 7 Million year evolutionary path).
The NAS panel is attempting to 'preserve the dignity' of 'greenhouse supporters' but it needs to be realised that the production of 'greenhouse models' is becoming UNREASONABLY expensive and increasingly seen as obviously UNPRODUCTIVE. There is NOT a valid link produced for CO2 to temperature, the PLOT of Human Population growth is as VALIDLY linked to median temperature rise and the link to surface rematerialing does NOT require convoluted 'indirect' and LARGE amounts of supposition, assumption AND contrivance to be produced. So, it is only SAFE to say that the period NOW is the warmest for 400 years, and THAT is what was commented.
This IS the point that needs discussion, along with the link to Surface rematerialing. Realise that the 8 Million Miles of new Road within China to accommodate the extra 55 Million cars over the next 10 years will be leading to NEW suburbs. The EXPLOSIVE sprawl of the Chinese Population will be Followed by that of India. The materials USED in the construction of such NEW sprawl are FAR MORE relevant to overall 'Global Climate' than the method of Power Generation, this being of interest to Pollution Regulation ONLY. The ability of Humanity to build itself through this interglacial period and into a deeper and longer lasting Glacial Event is very real. At the peak of the interglacial the production of Turbulence by Natural processes lowers 'Temperature' measure. The Ice point altitude drops and Glaciers grow removing Humidity from the lower atmosphere. This reduces lower atmospheric warming due to atmospheric H2O and the surface cools faster as the conduction of Kinetic Energy is produced across a 'steeper thermal gradient' into the lower atmosphere which also then further increases Turbulence. The Ice Point lowers, the glaciers advance and the process proceeds to a full Glaciation Event.
The presentation of Natural Surface in the Past has been the deciding factor in whether the production of Turbulence is sufficient to revert to another Glaciation, or whether the long term Climate Cycle rises into its 'Plateau' where it spends most of its time. You can see in the chart above that these periods (where there are NOT recurring 'periodic' glaciations) are long, the last was over 200 Million years in length. This presentation would INCLUDE realisation of Continental Drift (from within the Geophysical Sciences with consideration of Plate Tectonic) and its 'relative motions'.
Turbulence is the key, and needs real notice of the actual differences tween Energy presented as a Photon, than that presented as the Kinetic Energy (via the Kinetic Velocity) of Molecules/Atoms and the structures they can form.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
Recurring 'attempt' to present 'in reprisal' the 'hockey stick' debate whenever 'greenhouse rhetoric' is placed 'into a corner' seems to make necessary some further clarification of the role of Kinetic Energy, when 'held within' the production of the 'Turbulent process'.
When 'temperature' is being mentioned, realise that the 'temperature' of a System is that Kinetic Energy residual within the materials constituting that System that is NOT directly involved in the production of the processes of Turbulence within that System.
Thus, in a system where in the Mass of the materials contained is proportioned in the atmosphere at ~0.0000051x10^24 kilograms & oceans at ~0.0014x10^24 kilograms (*), then it need to be realised that alterations to Turbulence WILL release vast amounts of Kinetic Energy that can then be observed as a RISE or DECLINE in the measured 'temperature' of those (various) materials constituting the System.
By altering not only the RATE of Kinetic Energy induction across the surface of the System, but WHERE that induction is produced also (especially in 'naturally incorrect' locations), that the DIFFERENTIALS of pressure/temperature produced are INCREASING the overall Turbulence with the System (especially within the 'gas' that is the Atmosphere) and this has been (and will continue to be) producing 'short term' fluctuations in median Temperature measures with the System.
This has been escalating in observed effect over the past 400 years, particularly within the last 100 as this effect is CUMULATIVE and is linked to Human Population and the rematerialing that Population has, and will continue to, produce upon the Planetary Surface in its so far RAPID climb from 500 Million to over 6 Billion in those 400 years. The REALITY presented by the 'hockey stick graph' in notice of TEMPERATURE within even the past 1000 years was ONLY ever of REAL alterations to Turbulence, whilst the last 400 years includes known and REAL alterations to the System surface, and System 'Surface Median Temperatures' again within that period of Human population explosion and related alteration to the System Surface. It is the erroneous interpretation of what IS Kinetic Energy that still 'dogs greenhouse rhetoric' and makes concentration on, and opinionation involving of, Temperature (including the 'hockey stick') poorly correlated on 'climate alteration' as these generally are involving of 'greenhouse warming' & do NOT notice the lag produced from Turbulent Cooling in its reversion actually releasing 'stored' Kinetic Energy.
This is all that has been happening, it is the reversion of "Turbulent Cooling" that has been lifting Climate OUT of the last glaciation, and is the reason FOR this current 'brief' warm period Climate is in. This current warm period is only one of many that have existed tween the ~60 'glaciation events' of the past ~3 Million years of the current Primary Trough of the overall Climate Oscillation. The release of Kinetic Energy from Turbulence is being slowed perhaps by Human produced surface alterations inducing greater and UNNATURAL differentials in temperature/pressure and so this 'warm period' might be extended by slowing its production, and current 'walking' of weather patterning could well be existent with that 'extended period' making DAMS (as representative of FIXED location infrastructure) redundant and making Human water production from Ocean DESALINATION near imperative for the continuance of Human Society (as it is) in MANY locations (including Australia).
This 'extension', from 'unnaturally slowed/extended release' of Kinetic Energy 'stored' in 'Turbulent Cooling' could also prematurely 'lift' the overall Climate Oscillation from it's present 'Primary Trough' behavior by mimicking those naturally occurring situations that could otherwise do so. This will lead to a rise in Median Sea Level, with the elevation of that oscillation of relative Sea level 'then' maintaining 'high and low' points both much higher than that 'presently seen'. Please realise the difference tween fluctuations in temperature from short term fluctuations within processes of Turbulence (generally 'atmospheric') and the release of Kinetic Energy from the slow & longer term reversion of Turbulent Cooling and the attached release of Kinetic Energy from the Masses seen at * (above and principally Oceanic).
There is NOT possible a 'greenhouse effect' as the 'greenhouse theory' describes when is noticed the REAL behavior of those materials involved, and grandiose production of opinion as either Novel or Movie will NOT prevent natural Climate Change, and this is ALL that is evident as progressing still. Certainly the 'hockey stick debacle' is of NO consequence to garnering ANY understanding of the REAL processes beneath natural Climate Alteration OR can it show any ALTERATION to those natural processes.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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There is still attempts to produce 'opinion' of some supposed 'chance of global warming involved' in production of Natural Storms in places where such are recognised as COMMON. The "Katrina" event (the most re-mentioned) is unrelated to UNNATURAL 'global warming' (not shown as existent even) and as such is 100% a NATURAL event. It is the "Katrina" event that in kind is what Humanity NEEDS to live with as the Human Population spreads further across the surface. So, to fit the 'environmental situation' into the '4wd' example:-
["...often people cite the increasing danger of collision with "4wd's", but that is only as there are increasing numbers of "4wd's" present NOW on the roads than previously and is NOT presenting that collisions with "4wd's" are inherently more dangerous NOW than previously..."]
:- we would read:-
[" ...there are more people 'on the planetary surface' and so there will be more 'accidental Human involvement' with NATURAL events. This does NOT make those NATURAL events inherently or overtly MORE dangerous than previously."]
It is NOT that the spread of Humanity makes it necessary to involve Humanity in a supposed 'unnatural effect', linked to an invalidly produced 'greenhouse theory', either to 'explain' the increased 'humanistic notice' of these NATURE/Human interactions. The reality that NATURE is presenting is that as relative sea levels WILL rise further as the Secondary Trough reaches a PEAK (with the overall Climate Oscillation still being within a 'Primary Trough'), then Storms as have been seen over the region of Florida State and it's Environs WILL be creating more 'damage' and more persistent inundations of regional coastal population centres. Due to the topography of the State of Florida and it's Environs being mostly below the 'relative sea level' of NOW this can ONLY mean that such inundation's) WILL become longer lasting. Once these NATURAL inundations exceed ~13 moths then the NEXT 'seasons' inundations will only increase the 'land area' that is 'filled', that land also being below 'relative sea level'.
The pattern of re-creation of the ancient Lakeland that the State of Florida (and its environs) has been in 'the past' is thus re-created. The ONLY limit to this process is the ability of the overall Climate Oscillation to transition from the "Primary Trough' into a 'Primary Crest' behavior'. This situation is generally regulated by TURBULENCE, which is WHAT Humanity is slowly altering by its produced alteration of the Planetary Land Surface. The production of Human Habitat is NOT producing a 'concrete Jungle' but a 'concrete desert' and eventually a more 'homogenous materialing' will limit potential differentiation of Temperature & Pressure and so Kinetic Induction will begin to 'add' Kinetic Energy to measure of Temperature to produce a more uniform (not related to that standardised Statistical Distribution BTW) increase in median Temperature over an increasing region OF the planetary surface. SO LESS turbulence increases TEMPERATURE and so Humanity CAN build itself into a PRIMARY CREST after a period of 'sudden rise then slow 'fall' in levels of overall Turbulence' within which there will be noticed 'walking' of WEATHER PATTERNING'.
At 'Present' is observed the onset of WEATHER PATTERNING alterations due to ALTERATIONS to overall Turbulence levels. That so far is ALL that is being observed. This is NOT due to any supposed 'greenhouse effect' as such an effect cannot be produced VALIDLY with notice to the presented materials REAL properties and CANNOT be produce by OPINION & rhetoric otherwise. That the overall Climate Oscillations are so far NOT showing the rapid transition to SEA LEVEL 'markers' is also NOTICED, but that is ONLY 'so far', is NOT in itself DANGEROUS being only part of the Natural progressions just perhaps made in an 'UNNATURAL time point' (perhaps' by Humanities surface constructions.
Humanity needs to LIVE with these changes of NATURE, recognise the SIGNIFICANCE of Natural persistence of CHANGE and CEASE attempting puerile political play of a 'blame game'...or drown under the NATURAL deluge (which will eventually arrive ANYWAY) whilst still chanting the 'greenhouse mantra'... This 'Present' is but one of many tween the ~60 glaciations of the past 3 Million years (so far) Primary Trough, the descent INTO this 'Primary Trough' was reasonable RAPID and so it could be that it will ALSO be 'short'. The slide above (in the outline 'glaciers reborn') shows the Primary Troughs by the position of the 'green blocks', representing Periods of recurring glaciations involving significant regions of the Planetary surface. Notice that the periodicity of the overall Climate Oscillation is showing a shortening 'wavelength' by noting the SPACING of the 'green blocks' and that the AMPLITUDE is of greatest relevance to fix the RATE of alteration, even if the 'crest and dip' are 'flattening' (perceived as a square waveform with 'ramp' similar to the 'timing chart' seen within computational hardware design'.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
With the need for open discussion rather than the (increasingly obvious) attempts to 'STYLE presentations' for a 'reader base' and with notice to the link http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/ & "CO2 Highest in At Least 800,000 Years", I have commented expecting discussion:-
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The Fossil Fuel is only offering a large sample of Carbon Atoms, but from Natural sources. Combustion Product only contains the same 'distribution' of Carbon Atoms in their molecular structures, so it is only those MOLECULES that are UNIQUELY produced that could then be on-linked to Combustion Processes.
CO2 is NOT unique.
There is not any valid link however OF 'CO2' to any possible warming process. So apart from pollution, there is not any reason to consider existent a 'greenhouse warming & climate altering' process.
Next, Isotopical analysis is not able to discern more that the spread of Isotopical forms, and these are well known to present identical Chemistry. This FACT is used widely in SCIENCE (Medicine especially) and cannot tell where the Carbon atom 'came' from with regard to 'fossil fuel combustion'. So there is not any valid manner to identify CO2 from a source, so the term 'greenhouse climate issue' is tantamount to a lie, there is not any real way to discern CO2 molecules nor any to link such to 'climate processes.
++ Next, the date for the Ice Sheets is VERY interesting as the present Primary Trough is only ~3 Million 'years old' and so there was NOT any seeming 'permanent existence' of these sheets within the previous ~200 Million years of the Primary Crest. See chart in this outline. ++
It doesn't take a 'computer model' to tell a sincere and intelligent person that this is anything in 'geological scale' history that can HONESTLY 'tell us all' that there 'is NOW' anything UNNATURAL to 'worry about'. The FACT is that there is NOT any reason to even 'believe' there is unnatural climate alteration, and none at all to accept ANYTHING that is presented attempting to relate 'greenhouse supposition', or more directly CO2 to any 'platforming' of 'climate doom and woe'.
It is that easy for the sincere and intelligent amongst us all to realise. Perhaps it is time for the 'greenhouse platformers' to notice more the REALITY about us rather than the 'scenario' they attempt to fabricate.
Finally again, also and still 'Ice Cores' are of little relevance within Climate considerations due to the faulty fabrications of the TEMPERATURE PROXIES produced from such. All that is being confirmed is the lack of actual comprehension and real SCIENCE within the platforming of 'greenhouse rhetoric'.
There is NOT any 'danger to/from Climate' of any 'unnatural greenhouse style', there never has been and there never will be.
Your's,
Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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“Arctic Sea Ice Declines!” the platformers of rhetoric be-cry, most still attempting to hide behind protective censorship within styled discussions whist lamenting their suppositions…
The REALITY is that climate is persistent only, and if you notice the chart regarding Glaciations (in this site) over the past 1 Billion years, you will see that even the Primary Oscillation is presenting a ’shorter (irregular) periodicity’ by noticing that the Primary Troughs (within the green blocks) are becoming ‘closer’. It IS that ‘modern humanity’ is but one child of ‘climate alteration’, NOT a cause of such (as yet). The ‘date’ for the Ice Sheets is VERY interesting as the present Primary Trough is only ~3 Million ‘years old’ and so there was NOT any seeming ‘permanent existence’ of these sheets within the previous ~200 Million years of the Primary Crest.
It is that Climate Change is occurring always, the LIE is in the attempt to overlay supposition of a ‘greenhouse effect’ and ‘unnatural alterations’ form such by ‘Humanity’. The sooner the PLATFORM of ‘greenhouse fear’ is removed, the sooner real SCIENCE can again ‘get on’ with determination of the most major mystery needing attention. The focus on ‘politics’ still avoids notice of the paucity of ‘greenhouse issues’ to address the REALITY that Humanity lives within, trying to focus instead on aspects of HOW humanity ‘lives’. The irreverence of ‘greenhouse warming opinion’ FOR the NATURAL ENVIRONS (& the real materials composing such) that Humanity lives WITHIN highlights the disjunction of ‘greenhouse science’ (along with the “Kyoto Treaty and other ‘related platforms’) from the REAL world and presents ONLY a danger of ‘blind tinkering’ within ANY ‘attitude & opinion’ exceeding ‘POLLUTION regulation’ made regarding ‘manmade’ CO2/CH4, there NOT being any real ‘greenhouse capable gases’ otherwise present, or UNNATURAL ‘climate change’ being displayed.
There is NOT any ‘permanent ice’ at all it seems, one simply needs to consider GEOLOGICAL TIME rather than ‘humanistic’ rhetorical outputs of ‘greenhouse opinionation’. There isn’t either any REAL link to CO2, made with any notice of actual properties of CO2, within the suppositions of ‘greenhouse science’ and there isn't either a ‘valid link’ of ‘CO2′ to any possible REAL warming process by CO2 (as opposed to only OPINION of such an existent process). Notice the reality of the warmer ocean surface (in slides within this site), you will see that this trend follows the present Land Surface rise in ’shape’ even, lagging by 15 years due to the productions of Conduction and Convection transporting that Kinetic Energy TO the Ocean Surface whilst the muting of that displayed trend is due to internal production of Turbulence in the Ocean surface as reaction to those inputs of Kinetic Energy, with ONLY the cumulative effect from the production of Human Habitat Sprawl upon the land surface (related to Human Population growth in its rapid rise from 500 Million to over 6 Billion in ~400 years) can be seen.
Remember, the ‘Temperature of a System’ is that Kinetic Energy residual within the materials constituting that System that is NOT directly involved in the production of the processes of Turbulence within that System. In a System where-in the Mass of the most involved materials contained is proportioned in kilogramsx10^24, then alterations to Turbulence within those materials WILL release (or uptake) vast amounts of Kinetic Energy, and that this will then be observed as a RISE (or DECLINE) in the measured Temperature of that System, with NO NEED for alteration of the RATE of overall ‘new’ Kinetic Energy induction.
Interaction of Oceanic (slower) and Atmospheric (faster) process will see the style of variation of TEMPERATURE seen so far. It is NOT possible for a ‘greenhouse warming process’ to even have been existent; the ‘greenhouse effect’ is inconsistent with the materials it involves as these materials present their ACTUAL behaviours, this is inclusive of those materials presented on the surface as well as with those ‘bio-forms’ of surface life as they exist NOW. It is NOT possible for the ‘greenhouse theory’ to produce in reality a ‘warming effect’ as it is supposed, with manipulation of Energy within the ‘Infrared Region’ with regard to the real materials present (including those materials involved/contained in ‘life forms’.
Climate Change is natural, produced within a Natural & Irregularly Periodic Progression, the LIE is in the attempts to overlay ‘greenhouse opinion’ and label such as ’science’. The PUBLIC is not listening (hence the effort to continue with MORE ‘Movie & Book’ platforming) to the ‘environmental lie’ being platformed. It is very easy to understand if one steps away from the ‘greenhouse wagon’ and looks back at that ‘vehicle’, it remains a POLITICAL platform where ‘advocates in white coats’ are STILL advocates.
Your's, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm)
From the PC of Peter K Anderson
E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com
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